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Accessibility in the grml 2011.12
by Philippe Delavalade 13 Dez '11

13 Dez '11

Hi all. I had a look to the Release Notes for Grml 2011.12-rc1 and something seems very unclear to me : * The accessibility support now consists of shipping standard speakup and enabling sound during boot. A new beep sequence (4 tones) is sounded just before the quickconfig menu starts. (The boot options have been removed.) When I hear the 4 tones, is it time to invoke brltty ? I don't really understand the meaning of « the boot options have been removed». And when shall I choose lang=fr ? Thanks for explanations. -- Ph. Delavalade

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Boot options
by Philippe Delavalade 01 Dez '11

01 Dez '11

HI all. I'm new on this list and new to GRML. Being blind and french, I have to enter the following when booting on the CD : grml blind brltty=pm,usb:,fr@FR lang=fr-iso It is difficult because I don't know exactly when it is boot prompt and I have to do this with a qwerty keyboard instaid of my usual azerty. Mistakes are frequent :-( So, I would like to know if it's possible to avoid the step of boot options. I guess it's possible to remaster the iso but maybe there is something more simple and handy. If it's the only way to remaster, where can I find informations to do this ? Long time ago, I did that with the linuxfromscratch livecd but every step was explained... Thanks for help or advice. -- Ph. Delavalade

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spawning problem
by simon.eigeldinger＠vol.at 01 Dez '11

01 Dez '11

hi, sorry. sent the message maybe not to the list. to my previous message. I execute grml 2011.05 that way because i am blind: grml brltty=ht,,de lang=at fb=false i have to disable the framebuffer because i heard brltty has issues when this is on. then i always get messages from init that id 12 is spawning too fast. i also get that with grml 2010.12. greetings, simon -- Simon Eigeldinger simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at

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grml 2011.05: init: Id "12" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
by simon.eigeldinger＠vol.at 01 Dez '11

01 Dez '11

Hello, I use grml now a few years now and just figured out with a computer i get that message. tested this with grml 2010.12 and 2011.05: init: Id "12" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. What is causing that problem? greetings, simon

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Upcoming Z-Shell Setup changes.
by Frank Terbeck 29 Nov '11

29 Nov '11

Hi there, We - the grml team - have recently discussed rather substantial changes in our interactive zsh setup. The setup is quite large, large enough to not be maintainable by our limited resources. Therefore, we will be cutting down its size in the not-so-distant future. The current plan is outlined here: <http://ft.bewatermyfriend.org/tmp/gzcu.org> We might make some of the removed features available as add-ons. A tentative list of ideas is here: <http://piratenpad.de/g1A8PIJkOL> Work on this will begin shortly - albeit in a separate branch of the `grml-etc-core' package's git repository. If there is anything in the removal list, that you'd like to keep, make a convincing argument as to why the feature in question should be kept. After the cleanup is done, we are planning to split the zsh setup out of `grml-etc-core' and into a package of its own, so that users who are only interested in the zsh-setup can quickly install just that on any debian-based OS. Regards, Frank - on behalf of the grml team. -- In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- RFC 1925

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Announcement: Grml flavour & package list changes
by Christian Hofstaedtler 15 Nov '11

15 Nov '11

[cc:ed grml@ mailing list for further exposure] Hi everybody, starting now, we will ship a different set of Grml flavours and package sets in future releases. (For more background please see the October 2011 meeting minutes.) Our goal is to have one ~300MB ISO flavour which will ship with all the commonly used tools for rescue & deployment tasks. This flavour replaces the old full, medium and small ISOs. Have a look at the (current) package list in detail: http://git.grml.org/?p=grml-live.git;a=blob;f=etc/grml/fai/config/package_c… Note that as we go along changes to this list will happen. If you're missing a tool you're using day to day in rescue & deployment scenarios, please suggest it! The daily ISOs (starting 20111115) from http://daily.grml.org/ already use the new package list, so give these a try. (sid builds fail at the moment, please use wheezy instead.) Feedback is welcome on the mailing lists, as well on IRC (#grml on FreeNode). -ch PS: As you can see in the package list, the bare tools for accessibility will be included, but that's about it. We can't make any guarantees for working accessibility. -- Grml Live Linux IRC: #grml on FreeNode

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Accessibility works fine for me
by John G. Heim 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

My problems with my hardware synth are absolutely not grml problems. I've found the same problem occurs with the speakup module in the stock debian kernel in the testing release. There is something wrong with the kernel module for the doubletalk synt starting around kernel 2.6.38. It works in kkernel version 2.6.32 and it works in newer kernels on 32 bit machines. Its only newer 64 bit kernels where the problem occurs. I have not been able to get software speech to work but that's probably because I don't know how to unmute a sound card in character mode. There ought to be a linux package to set a rational configuration for sound cards. There used to be a program called alsaconf but it was dropped from the alsa packages a few years ago. I can't imagine why. It seemed to work like a charm. Anyway, personally, I am satisfied with hardware synth support and braille support. If you say software speech works, so much the better. Although, I think it would be both useful and cool for grml to pplay a little tune through the beep command when its done booting. Like ubuntu has its distinctive drum beat when the GUI is done loading. It would become the grml theme mmusic. I would make it my ring tone. I think it would be ccool to be on the bus and have my phone ring and have some other nerd recognize it as the grml boot tune. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples(a)aim.com> To: <grml(a)mur.at> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:20 AM Subject: [Grml] Accessibility works fine for me > Hello, > Just a quick note that for what I could test of the medium64 daily build > accessibility seemed to work. > > Here is what I tested: > * Let the ISO boot normally on a MacBookPro. > * I got nothing to indicate that the CD had finished booting (don't know > if that is what should happen currently). I just listened for when the CD > activity seemed to stop. > * I then tried to start brltty with no options and it started fine > detecting my Braille display. > * Then I checked sound levels. Everything except master seemed to be > muted. As there was one channel labelled front speakers I decided to raise > this volume first. Not sure if that is needed but if it is for sound > output then may be that needs to be changed so that I will not need to > raise that level. > * I loaded the speakup_soft module which worked fine. > * Started espeakup which also started fine. > > Things I could not test: > * I could not test hardware speech output as my apollo synthesiser > requires a serial port and the MacBookPro has no serial port. The > MacBookPro is the only 64-bit computer I have. > > The main issues which come out of this is, some way of knowing the CD is > booted (may be a sequence of beeps) and possibly the sound not being > properly unmuted (which possibly is a hardware specific issue and may be > harder to fix for "everyone"). > > Michael Whapples > _______________________________________________ > Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org > http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml > join #grml on irc.freenode.org > grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml.org/ > >

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Re: [Grml] Accessibility works fine for me
by Michael Whapples 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

Well if you want nerdy, how about GRML done out in morse code? As for the unmuting of the sound card, I used alsamixer with brltty, possibly not the most efficient combination but it worked for me. Michael Whapples On 7 Nov 2011, at 14:59, John G. Heim wrote: > My problems with my hardware synth are absolutely not grml problems. I've found the same problem occurs with the speakup module in the stock debian kernel in the testing release. There is something wrong with the kernel module for the doubletalk synt starting around kernel 2.6.38. It works in kkernel version 2.6.32 and it works in newer kernels on 32 bit machines. Its only newer 64 bit kernels where the problem occurs. > > I have not been able to get software speech to work but that's probably because I don't know how to unmute a sound card in character mode. There ought to be a linux package to set a rational configuration for sound cards. There used to be a program called alsaconf but it was dropped from the alsa packages a few years ago. I can't imagine why. It seemed to work like a charm. > > Anyway, personally, I am satisfied with hardware synth support and braille support. If you say software speech works, so much the better. > > Although, I think it would be both useful and cool for grml to pplay a little tune through the beep command when its done booting. Like ubuntu has its distinctive drum beat when the GUI is done loading. It would become the grml theme mmusic. I would make it my ring tone. I think it would be ccool to be on the bus and have my phone ring and have some other nerd recognize it as the grml boot tune. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples(a)aim.com> > To: <grml(a)mur.at> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:20 AM > Subject: [Grml] Accessibility works fine for me > > >> Hello, >> Just a quick note that for what I could test of the medium64 daily build accessibility seemed to work. >> >> Here is what I tested: >> * Let the ISO boot normally on a MacBookPro. >> * I got nothing to indicate that the CD had finished booting (don't know if that is what should happen currently). I just listened for when the CD activity seemed to stop. >> * I then tried to start brltty with no options and it started fine detecting my Braille display. >> * Then I checked sound levels. Everything except master seemed to be muted. As there was one channel labelled front speakers I decided to raise this volume first. Not sure if that is needed but if it is for sound output then may be that needs to be changed so that I will not need to raise that level. >> * I loaded the speakup_soft module which worked fine. >> * Started espeakup which also started fine. >> >> Things I could not test: >> * I could not test hardware speech output as my apollo synthesiser requires a serial port and the MacBookPro has no serial port. The MacBookPro is the only 64-bit computer I have. >> >> The main issues which come out of this is, some way of knowing the CD is booted (may be a sequence of beeps) and possibly the sound not being properly unmuted (which possibly is a hardware specific issue and may be harder to fix for "everyone"). >> >> Michael Whapples >> _______________________________________________ >> Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org >> http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml >> join #grml on irc.freenode.org >> grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml.org/ >> >

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Accessibility works fine for me
by Michael Whapples 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, Just a quick note that for what I could test of the medium64 daily build accessibility seemed to work. Here is what I tested: * Let the ISO boot normally on a MacBookPro. * I got nothing to indicate that the CD had finished booting (don't know if that is what should happen currently). I just listened for when the CD activity seemed to stop. * I then tried to start brltty with no options and it started fine detecting my Braille display. * Then I checked sound levels. Everything except master seemed to be muted. As there was one channel labelled front speakers I decided to raise this volume first. Not sure if that is needed but if it is for sound output then may be that needs to be changed so that I will not need to raise that level. * I loaded the speakup_soft module which worked fine. * Started espeakup which also started fine. Things I could not test: * I could not test hardware speech output as my apollo synthesiser requires a serial port and the MacBookPro has no serial port. The MacBookPro is the only 64-bit computer I have. The main issues which come out of this is, some way of knowing the CD is booted (may be a sequence of beeps) and possibly the sound not being properly unmuted (which possibly is a hardware specific issue and may be harder to fix for "everyone"). Michael Whapples

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Accessibility: espeakup and ALSA
by Michael Whapples 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, I seem to have a memory of a message saying that ALSA sound support in the medium ISO is being considered for removal, although I cannot find the message. Now as accessibility is being put in the medium ISO, the problem is that espeakup and espeak rely on working sound support to be of any use (as mentioned in the festival TTS documentation sound output is desirable, although having no sound card does mean less defects will be heard). I just thought I would bring this point to the attention of the developers, as there is no point in including espeakup and espeak unless sound support is there. Michael Whapples

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