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grmlfull-32 2014.11
by David Hare 04 Dez '14

04 Dez '14

Trying out grmlfull-32 2014.11 iso as a virtualbox guest. On two different machines (one wheezy, intel core2, 2GB RAM .. another jessie, intel core2, 1GB RAM) In both cases it hangs at "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." I have seen the bug report for udev but thought it was fixed. A few lines above is a suggestion to boot with "noudev". Trying that gives errors "could not open /dev/tty1" repeated for other ttys .. then "could not chown/chmod tty device" ad infinitum. Using "serial console" option boots to a prompt but freezes after X has started (static mouse cursor) Any ideas what is wrong? I have tried also the "-small" and "daily build" versions with the same result. No hardware immediately available to try cd or usb.. Other iso's work fine here in VB.. *except* recent custom builds with jessie+sysvinit+util-linux_25x which also cannot open a tty. David Hare

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Own Rescue-CD based on grml
by Werner P. Schulz 20 Nov '14

20 Nov '14

Last weeks I worked again on remaster grml http://www.wp-schulz.de/rescue-cd-mit-grml.html Perhaps it may be useful for some of us. Greetings Werner

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Grml - new stable release 2014.11 available
by Michael Prokop 17 Nov '14

17 Nov '14

Hi, we just released Grml 2014.11 - Gschistigschasti This Grml release provides fresh software packages from Debian testing (AKA jessie). As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. More information is available in the release notes of Grml 2014.11: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2014.11/ Grab the latest Grml ISO(s) and spread the word! http://grml.org/download/ PS: Special thanks to Christian Hofstaedtler for helping us in solving a big release stopper caused by udev's net.agent on systems without systemd (AKA http://bugs.debian.org/754987 ) Thanks everyone and happy grml-ing, -mika-

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First Release Candidate of Grml version 2014.10 available
by Michael Prokop 31 Okt '14

31 Okt '14

Hi, so we did it again, the first release candidate of the upcoming Grml version 2014.10, code-named 'Gschistigschasti' was released. This Grml release provides fresh software packages from Debian testing (AKA jessie). As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. For detailed information about the changes between 2014.03 and 2014.10 have a look at the official release announcement: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2014.10-rc1/ Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for the end of October. Thanks to all contributors! regards, -mika- - for the Grml.org project

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Possible to run grml-debootstrap --vmfile inside docker?
by Patrick Schleizer 18 Okt '14

18 Okt '14

Hi! Was playing a bit with docker... ## On the host. modprobe dm-mod ## Made my own image. sudo apt-get install debootstrap sudo -E /usr/share/docker.io/contrib/mkimage.sh -t $USER/minbase debootstrap --variant=minbase stable ## Run a bash shell within. sudo docker run -i -t $USER/minbase /bin/bash ## Install modprobbe. apt-get install kmod ## Test modprobbe. modprobe dm-mod libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.16-2-amd64/modules.dep.bin' Which failed, which is what grml-debootstrap would do. And without dm-mod, also kpartx will fail. Cheers, Patrick

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GRML2USB encryption
by Charles Alan Hewson 14 Sep '14

14 Sep '14

Would it be practical to encrypt all of usb stick with grub2 modules? I have concerns about /boot on missing thumb drives. Charles

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grml daily builds
by Carlos Carlos 28 Aug '14

28 Aug '14

Thanks Darshaka and Evgeni. I didn't trust too much in md5 sums as I have seen in other daily build distro and unchanged/unmodified iso that the day it was build for the first time, lets say on 09 January, had x md5 then the automatic build system, rebuilt it again the next day, 10 January, and its md5 was different, who knows it could be the simple different number in the date or a glitch during the automatic build process, iso sizes were exactly the same, the iso was a final version so nothing was modified by the devs because they only add or change things between final versions not a day after a final version is released and their md5 were different. That's why I thought the same thing happens in grml, iso is the same unless you see an increase or decrease in its size, md5 can be different as a matter or different date coded in the build so if you see the same size in 3 consecutive daily builds then you can expect no browser update, no openssl update and the like. I don't know if the autobuild systems are controled by anything/anyone or if they simply keep rebuilding isos on a daily basis and autonomous way no matter if modifications were made or not, something like: It was programmed to do a rebuild every day at 11:00 or so Thanks much for your replies.

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grml daily builds
by Carlos Carlos 28 Aug '14

28 Aug '14

Hi I found the page that generates daily builds of unstable and stable grml, I notice that iso size can be exactly the same for 3 or 4 consecutive days so I suppose nothing was changed or added to the iso in those days, is this correct?. I might be wrong but I don't think there are devs coding new things or modifying old ones every single day. I suppose that the app which generates the daily isos do it automatically and it doesn't matter if something new was added or not, modified or not, it simply keeps doing daily isos non stop, correct?. Thanks in advance for any info.

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Cheatcodes as PDF?
by Tim Landscheidt 23 Mai '14

23 Mai '14

Hi, printing http://git.grml.org/?p=grml-live.git;a=blob_plain;f=templates/GRML/grml-che… isn't easy as there are some long lines especially in the "Configuration settings" section where word-wrap looks aw- ful. Is there a PDF (A4) version available somewhere? Tim

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Some features may be dropped from GNU Screen in the future (including braille support)
by Axel Beckert 04 Apr '14

04 Apr '14

Hi, on the GNU Screen development mailing list, there's currently a thread which discusses how to get some drive in the GNU Screen development again. Amadeusz Sławiński (Cc'ed) has a git repo with some a little bit more disruptive changes at https://github.com/amade/screen/tree/devel/src In the following mail he describes what he changed and removed. (I've shortened the mail. "[…]" show points where I removed parts. Full mail at https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-devel/2014-04/msg00008.html) One of the GNU Screen feature which are about to be dropped in the future is Screen's braille support. (Which is not enabled in Debian's screen package as far as I can see.) I know that there are quite some visually handicapped Grml users, so I send this mail to the debian-accessibility mailing list and the general Grml mailing list. Reply-To is set to the screen-users mailing list. (I don't read debian-accessibility, but both other lists.) I also allowed myself to Bcc some other heavy screen users I know personally. So if you use Screen's braille features (whatever they are exactly) or any other of the explicitly listed features in the mail below, and want to continue to using them, please speak up now. Upstream is also in need of someone testing (and maybe maintaining) that code. One potentially to be removed screen feature which IIRC is used by Grml by default is the nethack mode with a little bit more cryptic screen messages than by default. Not sure how mission-critical that one is. ;-) ----- Forwarded message from Amadeusz Sławiński <amade(a)asmblr.net> ----- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:47:21 +0200 From: Amadeusz Sławiński <amade(a)asmblr.net> To: screen-devel(a)gnu.org Subject: Re: [screen-devel] screen maintainer […] > > * new features (256 colors in hardstatus, hardstatus on top, > > truecolor, ...) […] > > * removal of ancient code (removed most of #ifdef for ancient > > systems) […] > I fear that this may cause a lot of breakage. Linux(*) is by far not > the only platform for Screen out there. > > (*) You wrote earlier that you only tested your code on Linux. Linux > is by far not the only platform, GNU Screen runs on. That's why I warn before hand. Screen is project which accumulated more then 25 years of code according to copyrights. And while it may be interesting to historians, I think it's time source is stripped of those workarounds and retested on machines people use, because it's likely that it just works with far fewer hacks, than it had. > > * removal of features which didn't seem useful or could be replaced […] > Please list which features you removed, so that people at least have a > chance to object. […] That's why I want to talk about it before I do anything drastic, one of reasons I tried to describe my changes at least a bit ;) >From fast comparing between source files: multiuser - seemed more like security risk to me braille - couldn't test :( utmp - seemed broken and there is also utmpx? nethack - funny, but who really needs it? zmodem - according to wiki some ancient file transfer protocol there may be something else... […] I want to make sure that screen stays as usable as it is to people who use it, but also would like to see new stuff happening, that's why I started this talk. Amadeusz ----- End forwarded message ----- Regards, Axel -- ,''`. | Axel Beckert <abe(a)debian.org>, http://people.debian.org/~abe/ : :' : | Debian Developer, ftp.ch.debian.org Admin `. `' | 1024D: F067 EA27 26B9 C3FC 1486 202E C09E 1D89 9593 0EDE `- | 4096R: 2517 B724 C5F6 CA99 5329 6E61 2FF9 CD59 6126 16B5

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Grml - new stable release 2014.03 available
by Michael Prokop 31 Mär '14

31 Mär '14

Hi, we just released Grml 2014.03 - Ponywagon. This Grml release provides fresh software packages from Debian testing (AKA jessie). As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. More information is available in the release notes of Grml 2014.03: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2014.03/ Grab the latest Grml ISO(s) and spread the word! http://grml.org/download/ Thanks everyone and happy grml-ing, -mika-

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First Release Candidate of Grml version 2014.03 released
by Michael Prokop 24 Mär '14

24 Mär '14

Hi, so we did it again, the first release candidate of the upcoming Grml version 2014.03, code-named 'Ponywagon' was released. This Grml release provides fresh software packages from Debian testing (AKA jessie). As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. For detailed information about the changes between 2013.09 and 2014.03 have a look at the official release announcement: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2014.03-rc1/ Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for the end of March (2014 ;)). PS: As you might notice the ISOs increased again (e.g. from ~350MB to 400MB for grml-full), if someone is interested in reducing the ISO we welcome any patches, concrete feedback,.. Thanks to all contributors! regards, -mika- - for the Grml.org project

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PLEASE RE-ADD MIRRORS
by Dan D. 15 Mär '14

15 Mär '14

We previously had these same mirrors up under Go-Part.com but then changed our domain to Go-Parts.com. The mirror links then dropped off. We apologize deeply for this, and assure you that this is a one-time event. Going forward, the mirrors will stay up for a very long time to come, and are being served from very reliable and fast servers, and being monitored and maintained by a very competent server admin team. PLEASE ADD: (USA) http://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/grml (UK) http://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/grml (Australia) http://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/grml (Russia) http://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/grml (Brazil) http://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/grml (Japan) http://mirrors.go-parts.com/grml ftp://mirrors.go-parts.com/grml rsync://mirrors.go-parts.com/grml Thanks, Dan

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Typo or missing feature and a basic question
by ha 15 Mär '14

15 Mär '14

I'm new to grml so please excuse me if this on wrong list or similar. Recently I've tried to install debian using grml and I found something that could be a typo: Line 136 of config file: # Run scripts from /etc/debootstrap/pre-scripts/ after setting up chroot. Shouldn't it state "/etc/debootstrap/scripts/" ? In config file I've found extrapackages, but on the man page of grml-debootstrap there is no option extrapackages. Is this intentionally? This option is not implemented or simply not documented? Additionally , I would be grateful for a help on how to use scripts from "scripts" direcotry. My plan was to add a script to compile a program (for instance dwm), however I was unable to achieve this. I'm unsure if this is feasible at all, and whether I'm positioned at the right directory (or how to check that). I invoked command with the -d flag: grml-debootstrap -d FILE Finally, I have troubles at debugging debootstrap stages. If someone would show me how to do that, perhaps I could solve the previous problem by myself. I've read somewhere about install_notes file that could be used for this, but I haven't found much on it - assuming that I understood that correctly. Thanks in advance.

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grml-debootstrap VM creation broken due to bug in kpartx?
by adrelanos 14 Feb '14

14 Feb '14

Hi! My grml-debootstrap configuration is here: https://github.com/adrelanos/minimal-grml-debootstrap-test (I think it's quite useful to have a single script/configuration around for producing minimal instructions on how to produce that bug.) grml-debootstrap keeps failing for me. umount: /mnt/debootstrap.23035: device is busy I guess it could be because this bug in kpartx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734794 Cheers, adrelanos

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/etc/exports not being created when using grml-terminalserver package
by Tom Moore 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Hi guys, I have ran the grml-terminalserver-config and grml-terminalserver scripts to get the environment going for pxebooting machines on my network. What should my /etc/exports look like to access the grml live cd at: /lib/live/mount

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grml virtual machine
by John G. Heim 04 Jan '14

04 Jan '14

I want to create a custom grml ISO that has a kernel patched for hardware speech synthesiers. There's a bug in the kernel code so most hardware speech synths don't work. If I can put ma custom compiled kernel on a grml disk, I can use it with my hardware speech synth. The man page for grml-live recommends running it on a virtual machine running grml. That sounds like a good idea. I have a VMWare player virtual machine booted into grml from the latest 32-bit iso file. But I am uncertain as to what to do next. Should I use grml2usb or grml-debbootstrap or something else? What's the best way to set up a virtual machine to run grml?

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Mirrors for GRML
by Timo Jacob 06 Dez '13

06 Dez '13

Hello, please add our mirrors to the public mirror list: + Mirrors Japan: http://mirrors.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ + Mirrors-usa: http://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors-usa.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ + Mirrors-uk: http://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors-uk.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ + Mirrors-russia: http://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors-ru.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ + Mirrors-australia: http://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors-au.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ + Mirrors-brazil: http://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/grml/ ftp://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/grml/ rsync://mirrors-br.go-parts.com/mirrors/grml/ Contact Name: Timo Jacob address: timojacob.gp(a)gmail.com Please let me know if you have any questions and I would be happy to answer them. Kind regards Timo Jacob

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Cannot find code to color by file extensions on an ls
by John 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

I just opened a new bug report (http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1286) wherein I ask to have some file extensions added to the list to color red on an `ls` but find myself clueless where exactly this "color these extensions red on an ls" resides. The only thing I can find in /etc/zsh/zshrc begins on line #3116 but I do not understand it. Can someone point me to where this list is defined? My request should be as easy as adding the new extensions to some array I would think. Thanks!

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Re: [Grml] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury
by chris21.roux＠free.fr 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

----- Mail original ----- De: grml-request(a)ml.grml.org À: grml(a)ml.grml.org Envoyé: Vendredi 27 Septembre 2013 12:00:02 Objet: Grml Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9 Send Grml mailing list submissions to grml(a)ml.grml.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to grml-request(a)ml.grml.org You can reach the person managing the list at grml-owner(a)ml.grml.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Grml digest..." Today's Topics: 1. J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury (chris21.roux(a)free.fr) 2. Re: J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury (Thomas K?hler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:48:44 +0200 (CEST) From: chris21.roux(a)free.fr To: grml(a)ml.grml.org Subject: [Grml] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury Message-ID: <1799077990.27381246.1380228524139.JavaMail.root(a)spooler6-g27.priv.proxad.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Le projet "J'ai l'inux" vise ? proposer une distribution Linux capable de filter les contenus notamment pornographiques, pour une utilisation ? l'?cole. Pour filtrer les contenus, il est n?cessaire d'intervenir ? l'int?rieur du syst?me pour intercepter les contenus ? filtrer (on ne peut pas intervenir au niveau des trames r?seau car ? ce niveau les contenus ne sont pas interp?tables). J'ai pens? ? utiliser des machines virtuelles pour d?l?guer ? chaque machine virtuelle une portion sp?cifique du syst?me ? assurer. Cette id?e est n?e d'un poisson d'avril (April's fool joke) qui annon?ait le projet Canterbury, visant ? r?unir le meilleur de 5 distributions Linux dans une nouvelle distribution. En tant que chr?tien, je suis tr?s sensible aux poissons d'avril qui ont pour objectif de se moquer des chr?tiens. J'ai donc choisi ces 5 distributions et j'ai fait un prototype de test 64 bits: - Archlinux pour l'interface homme-machine et la virtualisation - Gentoo pour la compilation - Grml pour les entr?es-sorties - Open-Suse pour les applications - Debian pour les applications 32 bits et la mod?lisation L'id?e sous-jacente ? ce projet, c'est un module noyau ? d?velopper qui permettra de router les appels syst?me vers chaque distribution en fonction du type d'appel syst?me et du r?le de chaque distribution dans le syst?me. Le pattern MVCA (Mod?le= donn?es, Vue=ihm, Controleur=noyau, Action=application) est utilis? entre Archlinux, Grml et OpenSuse. Le filtrage de contenu s'effectue entre les applications et les vues gr?ce au module noyau qui intercepte les donn?es ? filtrer et les dirige vers un filtreur hors noyau. Le filtreur applique des outils sur les donn?es pour d?cider si elles seront autoris?es ou non. Pour d?velopper le filtreur, un nouveau langage, Pmal, est ? cr?er. On a besoin d'un nouveau langage qui doit ?tre capable de faire ?voluer ses programmes sans avoir ? les interrompre. Ce langage sera bas? sur du typage fort, pour assurer la s?curit? du syst?me. J'ai imagin? un langage de glue pour faire ?a. Il s'agit d'un langage qui fait un usage important de la r?flexivit?: il connait ses constituants et peut agir dessus. Il est bas? sur le principe des conteneurs l?gers: les classes composantes sont assembl?es par inversion de controle. Chaque composante ne connait pas avec quel composant il sera reli? dans les conteneurs l?gers. Exemple: un objet A est reli? ? un objet de type D sur lequel il invoque une m?thode b pour imprimer. A ne sait pas de quelle classe est l'objet de typez D. De D, 2 classes h?ritent: B et C, pour 2 imprimantes diff?rentes. Chaque classe B et C poss?de un objet M?thode impl?mentant la m?thode b. Cet objet M?thode porte des attributs "tags" qui le d?crivent. Par exemple B a un tag "600dpi" et C a un tag "300dpi". Lorsque A demande a ex?cuter b, b est intercept? par le conteneur l?ger qui va filter les candidats possibles en fonction des tags. Finalement, le conteneur l?ger choisira B pour optimiser la qualit? d'impression, sans que A se soit jamais dout? de rien. On pourra aussi avoir un objet proxy qui intercepte les requ?tes b et les envoie de mani?re asynchrone. Ou encore, un compteur d'appels de m?thode incr?mental pour d?tecter les boucles infinies et les r?soudre en analysant le code invoqu? et en proposant une approximation si elles tendent vers une limite. Par exemple on pourra r?soudre le paradoxe de Z?non: Achille et la tortue font une course : Achille va 2 fois plus vite que la tortue. Chaque fois que Achille parcours la distance qui le s?pare de la tortue, celle-ci parcours la moiti? de cette distance. Ainsi une nouvelle distance plus petite les s?pare... La r?cursion est infinie. Si on compte les appels r?cursifs avec une interruption par exemple au bout de 10 it?rations, en analysant le code on peut d?duire que la limite tend vers 0 et retourner cette r?ponse comme approximation et mettre fin ? la boucle. Si il n'y a pas de limite on interrompra aussi la boucle pour ?viter un engorgement syst?me. Avec le niveau d'abstraction o? une m?thode est un objet on pour attacher cette m?thode ? un seul objet sans l'attacher ? tous les objets de sa classe, ? des fins de tests. Une fois test?e, cette m?thode pourra ?tre g?n?ralis?e ? toute la classe. A ce moment, la m?thode sera intercept?e par un proxy, puis mise en place, puis activ?e en d?bloquant le proxy, permettant ainsi une ?volution du code et des classes du programme sans interruption. De plus, bien que fortement typ?, ce langage pourra ?tre ex?cut? par du javascript, du fait de son niveau d'abstraction : les objets, les classes, les attributs et les m?thodes sont tous des objets manipulables. Actuellement, je dispose d'un prototype faisant fonctionner les 5 distributions ensemble. J'ai presque termin? le compilateur pour les m?thodes du langage en Java 1.5. Il faut d?velopper l'ensemble du langage Pmal, le module du noyau pour router les appels syst?me et aussi un gestionnaire de paquets pour l'ensemble du syst?me avec les 5 distributions. Il s'agit d'un travail ?norme, mais le proverbe dit: "La foi d?place des montagnes". Contactez-moi si vous d?sirez participer: chris21.roux(a)free.fr subject "J'ai l'inux". ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:28:13 +0200 From: Thomas K?hler <jean-luc(a)picard.franken.de> To: grml(a)ml.grml.org Subject: Re: [Grml] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury Message-ID: <20130927062813.GA15925(a)picard.franken.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, First thing: I did learn some French at school, but that was two decades ago. I might completely misunderstand everything here. It might even be that this whole thing is an April's fool that went wrong (in regards to the calendar, that is). Just a few random thoughts from my side follow anyway. chris21.roux(a)free.fr wrote: > Le projet "J'ai l'inux" vise ? proposer une distribution Linux > capable de filter les contenus notamment pornographiques, pour > une utilisation ? l'?cole. If I understand this correctly, you want to filter out pornographic material at school, and the target is to create a linux distribution for this application. Answer from c.roux: ******************* I want to filter pornography and other perversions, based on content analysis, so this explains why I need a new distribution: it is not possible to analyse an image content at network level. The MVC pattern allows to filter content at the moment when the application sends the image to the view, inside the whole system. I developed a multi-virtual machines system in order to have one for the application, another for the view and a third for input and output, allowing to filter at the communication level between the virtual machines. ******************* > Pour filtrer les contenus, il est n?cessaire d'intervenir ? > l'int?rieur du syst?me pour intercepter les contenus ? filtrer > (on ne peut pas intervenir au niveau des trames r?seau car ? ce > niveau les contenus ne sont pas interp?tables). If I understand this correctly, you thing you can only do this on the system itself, because you think it's not possible to intervene at the network layer. Well, actually, it is. If you connect your systems to the internet via a firewall, you can block everything you want. You can also install a transparent proxy, and your proxy may well be able to filter content. You could use junkbuster for this. > J'ai pens? ? utiliser des machines virtuelles pour d?l?guer ? > chaque machine virtuelle une portion sp?cifique du syst?me ? > assurer. Of course you can use virtual machines for what you want to achieve, but it seems unnecessary here. > Cette id?e est n?e d'un poisson d'avril (April's fool joke) qui > annon?ait le projet Canterbury, visant ? r?unir le meilleur de > 5 distributions Linux dans une nouvelle distribution. So your idea is born from an April's fool joke, but in the end, it looks like one itself. > En tant que chr?tien, je suis tr?s sensible aux poissons > d'avril qui ont pour objectif de se moquer des chr?tiens. For this sentence, I needed google's translate in order to possibly make sense of it, but then I quite don't. "As a Christian, I am very sensitive to April's fool jokes which aim to make fun of Christians." Well, as a Christian I don't see how this "5 Linux distributions now become one in the Canterbury project" aims to make fun of Christians. Furthermore, there are quite a few possible explainations on how the "April's fool jokes" emerged, but none of the ones I know particularly targets at Christians. You might to choose to explain this sentence again (in English) so that I might have a chance to really understand what you wanted to say. answer from c.roux: ******************* The origin of April's fool jokes is based on 1st of April day, close to Easter. On that day, people stick a fish (symbol of christans) on the back of christians. The joke is the following: try to make beleive false things to those people, in order to discredit christians as people who beleive everything even the resurrection of Christ. ****************** > J'ai donc choisi ces 5 distributions et j'ai fait un prototype > de test 64 bits: > - Archlinux pour l'interface homme-machine et la virtualisation > - Gentoo pour la compilation > - Grml pour les entr?es-sorties > - Open-Suse pour les applications > - Debian pour les applications 32 bits et la mod?lisation So you use 5 distributions in order to do 5 different jobs in one single project. I believe this is an April's fool joke just because it seems so stupid to select 5 different methods of administrating your systems (all those distributions use their own toolset for configuration, apart from Grml and Debian, as Grml is built on top of Debian) just in order to use all of them in one single project. answer from c.roux: ******************* This idea is defined in the April fool's joke: try to use the best of each distribution as specialized in a specific task. ******************* > L'id?e sous-jacente ? ce projet, c'est un module noyau ? > d?velopper qui permettra de router les appels syst?me vers > chaque distribution en fonction du type d'appel syst?me et du > r?le de chaque distribution dans le syst?me. If I understand this correctly, you want to route systems calls to each distribution dependend on the role of the distribution in your project. Somehow, that doesn't make any sense to me. answer from c.roux: ******************* Can you explain why? ******************* > Le pattern MVCA (Mod?le= donn?es, Vue=ihm, Controleur=noyau, > Action=application) est utilis? entre Archlinux, Grml et > OpenSuse. > > Le filtrage de contenu s'effectue entre les applications et les > vues gr?ce au module noyau qui intercepte les donn?es ? filtrer > et les dirige vers un filtreur hors noyau. Le filtreur applique > des outils sur les donn?es pour d?cider si elles seront > autoris?es ou non. Seems you also want to create a kernel module to decide what to intercept when. I don't see how this should be necessary. answer from c.roux: ******************* Can you develop. Any save of time is interesting me. ******************* > Pour d?velopper le filtreur, un nouveau langage, Pmal, est ? > cr?er. On a besoin d'un nouveau langage qui doit ?tre capable > de faire ?voluer ses programmes sans avoir ? les interrompre. > Ce langage sera bas? sur du typage fort, pour assurer la > s?curit? du syst?me. J'ai imagin? un langage de glue pour faire > ?a. For the filter, you seem to want to create a new language (which you call Pmal) that should be able to intercept what a program does without actually disturbing the program. Sounds like "let's reinvent something like strace, but add the possibility to change the system calls' return values on the fly". That's actually something every virtualisation does in some way or another, but not for filtering content, but for intercepting and filtering hardware access. I still think it's better to use junkbuster and friends. answer from c.roux: ******************* I am not a wizard. If I post this message, it is because I need help. ******************* [language specification ideas deleted] > De plus, bien que fortement typ?, ce langage pourra ?tre > ex?cut? par du javascript, If you want to run a language in javascript, you usually aim at running the stuff on the browser end. You should be aware, however, that at the browser end, the USER is in control and can modify your stuff however HE sees fit, especially circumventing any blocking or filtering that happens on that level. answer from c.roux: ******************* Can javascript be used outside a browser? ******************* In the end of the day, I still think I didn't understand what you really want to achieve (no wonder, as I didn't use French in 20 years), but if I understood any of your intentions correctly, I just would think twice if there isn't an easier way to achieve your goals. answer from c.roux: ******************* Thanks for your advices, and I hope to convince you to join the project. ******************* Bye, Thomas -- Thomas K?hler Email: jean-luc(a)picard.franken.de <>< WWW: http://gott-gehabt.de IRC: tkoehler Freenode: thkoehler PGP public key available from Homepage! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml join #grml on irc.freenode.org grml-devel-blog: http://grml.supersized.org/ End of Grml Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9 ***********************************

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using persistence
by John G. Heim 22 Okt '13

22 Okt '13

I can't find any documentation on what persistence can do for me. What can I do with it? What I need to do is create a flash drive that runs a script upon boot. Can I do that? I created a flash drive with persistence but now I'm not sure how to use it. - --- John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim(a)math.wisc.edu

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LANG variable, locales
by adrelanos 15 Okt '13

15 Okt '13

Hi! Would you agree, that a system created by grml-debootstrap should be as close to stock Debian as possible? - In a default Wheezy installation, the LANG variable is set to en_US.UTF-8. - In system created by grml-debootstrap. the LANG variable is empty. Also the output of `locale` differs. [1] Am I missing an option in grml-debootstrap? Should this be added to grml-debootstrap? What is the recommended way (from a Debian derivative perspective) changing the default of `locale`? Cheers, adrelanos [1] Default Wheezy: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= grml-debootstrap: LANG= LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL=

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(grml-)debootstrap network timeout / retry settings?
by adrelanos 09 Okt '13

09 Okt '13

Hi, is it possible to add apt-like options to (grml-)debootstrap to get higher timeouts / more retries when network is slow / flaky? Options comparable to "--option Acquire::http::Timeout=180" or "--option Acquire::Retries=3"? Cheers, adrelanos

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Grml - new stable release 2013.09 available
by Michael Prokop 08 Okt '13

08 Okt '13

Hi, we just released Grml 2013.09 - Hefeknuddler. This Grml release provides fresh software packages after the Debian stable release (AKA wheezy) has been released. As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. More information is available in the release notes of Grml 2013.09: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2013.09/ Grab the latest Grml ISO(s) and spread the word! http://grml.org/download/ Thanks everyone and happy grml-ing, -mika-

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[HOWTO] Packaging up out of tree Intel network drivers and adding them to grml
by Andras Korn 06 Okt '13

06 Okt '13

Hi, I packaged a few of Intel's out of tree NIC drivers from http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/ as dkms based .debs and included them in a custom grml image. I'll explain how; if there is interest, I can also share my packages (although, as you'll see, they're likely sub-par, because I did not take the time to really understand what I was doing; in particular, I fear the e1000e module may not always build correctly at grml-live time, while it builds correctly on the live system). 1. I grabbed some tarballs from http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269997 Sep 5 16:25 e1000e-2.5.4.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 303648 Sep 17 02:23 igb-5.0.6.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 362747 Sep 30 23:21 ixgbe-3.18.7.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 140096 Sep 30 23:31 ixgbevf-2.11.3.tar.gz 2. I extracted each. 3. I moved the contents of foo-1.2.3/src to foo-1.2.3 itself in each. 4. I created a dkms.conf like the following in the root of every driver root directory (i.e. foo-1.2.3/): AUTOINSTALL="yes" BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="igb" CLEAN="make clean" DEST_MODULE_LOCATION="/updates" DEST_MODULE_NAME[0]="igb" PACKAGE_NAME="igb" PACKAGE_VERSION="5.0.6" 5. I made sure the Makefiles get the kernel version to build for from the KERNELRELEASE ennvar (not BUILD_KERNEL or similar), because this is what dkms sets: sed -i 's/BUILD_KERNEL/KERNELRELEASE/g' Makefile (In at least one case, I also replaced an #ifdef CONFIG_PM_SLEEP with #ifdef CONFIG_PM in netdev.c because the module didn't build for my kernel otherwise, but this problem doesn't manifest with the grml kernel because it defines either both or neither.) 6. I issued the following dkms commands (from the source directories): dkms add -m foo -v 1.2.3 dkms mkdeb -m foo -v 1.2.3 --source-only (Naturally, you have to replace 'foo' with the name of the module and 1.2.3 with the actual version number.) The second command will create a .deb and dump it somewhere under /var/lib/dkms/. 7. I imported the .debs into my private repository (managed by reprepro). 8. I installed grml-live. I created a new fai 'class', called EXTRANIC. This involved creating the following files: /etc/grml/fai/config/hooks/instsoft.EXTRANIC (mode 755): #!/bin/bash set -u set -e . "$GRML_LIVE_CONFIG" $ROOTCMD apt-get --yes --force-yes install \ dkms build-essential linux-headers-3.10-1-grml-amd64 (You'll note this is inelegant because it hardcodes the kernel version; the point here is to make sure the kernel-headers are already installed by the time the driver packages are installed.) /etc/grml/fai/config/scripts/EXTRANIC/50-dkms (mode 755): #!/bin/zsh set -u set -e . "$GRML_LIVE_CONFIG" for kernelversion in $(${=ROOTCMD} sh -c 'ls -1 /boot/vmlinuz-*' \ | sed 's@.*boot/vmlinuz-@@'); do echo "Building dkms modules for kernel $kernelversion." ${=ROOTCMD} /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms "$kernelversion" done (This may not be necessary. It attempts to build all dkms modules once more, after all requested packages have been installed.) /etc/grml/fai/config/package_config/EXTRANIC: e1000e-dkms igb-dkms ixgbe-dkms ixgbevf-dkms broadcom-sta-dkms r8168-dkms (Yeah, so not just Intel. The others come from regular Debian.) /etc/grml/fai/config/files/etc/apt/sources.list.d/myrepo.list/EXTRANIC: (Contains the deb http://... line for my repository.) /etc/grml/fai/config/package_config/ZFSONLINUX.asc: (Contains the public key of the repository signing key; I'm not sure this is really the correct way of injecting it in the build process.) 9. In /etc/grml/grml-live.local, I have: OUTPUT=/tmp/grml/grml-live SUITE="sid" FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="sid http://cdn.debian.net/debian" VERSION=$(date +%F) RELEASENAME="grml64-extranic" GRML_NAME="grml64-extranic" HOSTNAME="grml-extranic" ARCH="amd64" DISTRI_NAME="grml-extranic" NO_ADDONS_BSD4GRML='1' EXIT_ON_MISSING_PACKAGES='1' DEFAULT_BOOTOPTIONS="ssh=sekrit" # Be sure you understand what this does before using it 10. I built a new iso using the following command: echo 'y\nn\ny\ny'\ | env -u TMPDIR -u TMP \ nice -n 20 \ grml-live -A -u -e /path/to/grml64-full_sid_20131001.iso \ -c DEBORPHAN,GRMLBASE,RELEASE,AMD64,IGNORE,EXTRANIC I'm posting this in the hope someone finds it useful. I'm not subscribed to the list, so please Cc: me on replies. The resulting image is larger than regular grml as it includes build-essential and its dependencies; if that's a problem, I suppose you can add a script after 50-dkms that purges now-unneeded packages. Incidentally, zfsonlinux can be added to grml in much the same way (that was the original point of the exercise for me). András -- At some point in the project you're going to have to break down and finally define the problem.

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First Release Candidate of Grml version 2013.09 released
by Michael Prokop 27 Sep '13

27 Sep '13

Hi, so we did it again, the first release candidate of the upcoming Grml version 2013.09, code-named 'Hefeknuddler' was released. This Grml release provides fresh software packages after the Debian stable release (AKA wheezy) has been released. As usual it also incorporates up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. For detailed information about the changes between 2013.02 and 2013.09 have a look at the official release announcement: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2013.09-rc1/ Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for the end of September. regards, -mika- - for the Grml.org project

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J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury
by chris21.roux＠free.fr 27 Sep '13

27 Sep '13

Le projet "J'ai l'inux" vise à proposer une distribution Linux capable de filter les contenus notamment pornographiques, pour une utilisation à l'école. Pour filtrer les contenus, il est nécessaire d'intervenir à l'intérieur du système pour intercepter les contenus à filtrer (on ne peut pas intervenir au niveau des trames réseau car à ce niveau les contenus ne sont pas interpétables). J'ai pensé à utiliser des machines virtuelles pour déléguer à chaque machine virtuelle une portion spécifique du système à assurer. Cette idée est née d'un poisson d'avril (April's fool joke) qui annonçait le projet Canterbury, visant à réunir le meilleur de 5 distributions Linux dans une nouvelle distribution. En tant que chrétien, je suis très sensible aux poissons d'avril qui ont pour objectif de se moquer des chrétiens. J'ai donc choisi ces 5 distributions et j'ai fait un prototype de test 64 bits: - Archlinux pour l'interface homme-machine et la virtualisation - Gentoo pour la compilation - Grml pour les entrées-sorties - Open-Suse pour les applications - Debian pour les applications 32 bits et la modélisation L'idée sous-jacente à ce projet, c'est un module noyau à développer qui permettra de router les appels système vers chaque distribution en fonction du type d'appel système et du rôle de chaque distribution dans le système. Le pattern MVCA (Modèle= données, Vue=ihm, Controleur=noyau, Action=application) est utilisé entre Archlinux, Grml et OpenSuse. Le filtrage de contenu s'effectue entre les applications et les vues grâce au module noyau qui intercepte les données à filtrer et les dirige vers un filtreur hors noyau. Le filtreur applique des outils sur les données pour décider si elles seront autorisées ou non. Pour développer le filtreur, un nouveau langage, Pmal, est à créer. On a besoin d'un nouveau langage qui doit être capable de faire évoluer ses programmes sans avoir à les interrompre. Ce langage sera basé sur du typage fort, pour assurer la sécurité du système. J'ai imaginé un langage de glue pour faire ça. Il s'agit d'un langage qui fait un usage important de la réflexivité: il connait ses constituants et peut agir dessus. Il est basé sur le principe des conteneurs légers: les classes composantes sont assemblées par inversion de controle. Chaque composante ne connait pas avec quel composant il sera relié dans les conteneurs légers. Exemple: un objet A est relié à un objet de type D sur lequel il invoque une méthode b pour imprimer. A ne sait pas de quelle classe est l'objet de typez D. De D, 2 classes héritent: B et C, pour 2 imprimantes différentes. Chaque classe B et C possède un objet Méthode implémentant la méthode b. Cet objet Méthode porte des attributs "tags" qui le décrivent. Par exemple B a un tag "600dpi" et C a un tag "300dpi". Lorsque A demande a exécuter b, b est intercepté par le conteneur léger qui va filter les candidats possibles en fonction des tags. Finalement, le conteneur léger choisira B pour optimiser la qualité d'impression, sans que A se soit jamais douté de rien. On pourra aussi avoir un objet proxy qui intercepte les requêtes b et les envoie de manière asynchrone. Ou encore, un compteur d'appels de méthode incrémental pour détecter les boucles infinies et les résoudre en analysant le code invoqué et en proposant une approximation si elles tendent vers une limite. Par exemple on pourra résoudre le paradoxe de Zénon: Achille et la tortue font une course : Achille va 2 fois plus vite que la tortue. Chaque fois que Achille parcours la distance qui le sépare de la tortue, celle-ci parcours la moitié de cette distance. Ainsi une nouvelle distance plus petite les sépare... La récursion est infinie. Si on compte les appels récursifs avec une interruption par exemple au bout de 10 itérations, en analysant le code on peut déduire que la limite tend vers 0 et retourner cette réponse comme approximation et mettre fin à la boucle. Si il n'y a pas de limite on interrompra aussi la boucle pour éviter un engorgement système. Avec le niveau d'abstraction où une méthode est un objet on pour attacher cette méthode à un seul objet sans l'attacher à tous les objets de sa classe, à des fins de tests. Une fois testée, cette méthode pourra être généralisée à toute la classe. A ce moment, la méthode sera interceptée par un proxy, puis mise en place, puis activée en débloquant le proxy, permettant ainsi une évolution du code et des classes du programme sans interruption. De plus, bien que fortement typé, ce langage pourra être exécuté par du javascript, du fait de son niveau d'abstraction : les objets, les classes, les attributs et les méthodes sont tous des objets manipulables. Actuellement, je dispose d'un prototype faisant fonctionner les 5 distributions ensemble. J'ai presque terminé le compilateur pour les méthodes du langage en Java 1.5. Il faut développer l'ensemble du langage Pmal, le module du noyau pour router les appels système et aussi un gestionnaire de paquets pour l'ensemble du système avec les 5 distributions. Il s'agit d'un travail énorme, mais le proverbe dit: "La foi déplace des montagnes". Contactez-moi si vous désirez participer: chris21.roux(a)free.fr subject "J'ai l'inux".

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sucessfull grml 2013.09-rc1 keyboard pt-br abnt / abnt2
by gilberto dos santos alves 16 Sep '13

16 Sep '13

I made tests using grml 2013.09-rc1 32bits and 64bits versions using boot options for work with brazilian portuguese keyboard layouts abnt and abnt2. at grml boot press (key tab) and add following options: xkeyboard=br lang=br tz=America/Sao_Paulo After this quick boot if you choose q (you go to terminal session with correct keyboard layout for computers sold here in Brazil that use abnt/abnt2 layout. If you choose x (for graphics options) xkeyboard brings rigth keyboard map for work with iceweasel (firefox) browser, (like chars /, :, ", '). And about not less import time zone tz=America/Sao_Paulo or tz=America/Brasilia (all very important for disk, file timestamps not in utc time but in brazil localtime utc -3). thanks. -- gilberto dos santos alves +55.11.98646-5049 sao paulo - sp - brasil

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Need to unmap an alias in /etc/zsh/zshrc without modifying that file
by John 07 Sep '13

07 Sep '13

I'm using the grml-zsh-config package for Arch Linux. It places /etc/zsh/zshrc from grml upstream which contains an offending line: alias j='jobs -l' The strategy as I understand it is NOT to modify /etc/zsh/zshrc but rather to modify ~/.zshrc.local which I do have. My question is how can I unmap that alias in my ~/.zshrc.local leaving /etc/zsh/zshrc untouched? Btw, there is a great piece of software called autojump that works when users invoke the 'j' key which is why I want to unmap this. Thank you.

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Bug#720707: RFP: grml-zsh-config -- zsh configuration that ships with the Debian-based grml distro
by Thomas Koch 26 Aug '13

26 Aug '13

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Fw:
by cahewson2003＠yahoo.com 08 Aug '13

08 Aug '13

I recommend http://mackieprice.org/youtube.com.watchv=LLlpeM1QA6A.htm samucegeljzjkjrycydj

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Remastering GRML for blind users
by Tony Sales 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

I have figured out how to remaster the GRML live cd so that it speaks automatically on boot :) Assuming you already know how to boot the live CD and mount a USB pendrive: Type: mkdir /tmp/cd && mkdir /tmp/cd/scripts Type: cd /tmp/cd/scripts Type: nano grml.sh Enter: #!/bin/bash modprobe speakup_soft espeakup loadkeys uk # optional exit 0 Press: Ctrl + x, then y to save and close script Type: chmod 777 grml.sh Type: cd Type: grml2iso -b scripts -c /tmp/cd -o grml_vi.iso /lib/live/mount/medium # wait for this to finish Then copy the iso to usb drive and burn to cd :) drbongo This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of The Royal National College for the Blind. The Royal National College for the Blind | Venns Lane | Hereford | HR1 1DT | Tel: +44(0)1432 265725 | Fax: +44(0)1432 842979 | Company Limited by Guarantee No. 2367626 | Registered Charity No. 1000388 | Vat No. 927509504

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scripts boot option
by Tony Sales 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

Not clear about what the following line means: scripts => run script DCSDIR/scripts/grml.sh - does this mean that the /scripts/grml.sh must be in the root directory of the cd iso or usb flashdrive - not clear from the documentation where the DCSDIR is by default??? Tony This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of The Royal National College for the Blind. The Royal National College for the Blind | Venns Lane | Hereford | HR1 1DT | Tel: +44(0)1432 265725 | Fax: +44(0)1432 842979 | Company Limited by Guarantee No. 2367626 | Registered Charity No. 1000388 | Vat No. 927509504

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grml2usb
by Tony Sales 12 Jul '13

12 Jul '13

Hi, I want to make a custom version of grml for some blind students I am teaching programming to - I only want to make speakup active by default (commands: modprobe speakup_soft, espeakup) and change the default keyboard layout to en_uk (command: loadkeys uk). I had considered using grml-live but a flash drive install might do the trick so it possible to do this using a single line grml2usb command by adding these as boot options? If so what would the specific options be? drbongo This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of The Royal National College for the Blind. The Royal National College for the Blind | Venns Lane | Hereford | HR1 1DT | Tel: +44(0)1432 265725 | Fax: +44(0)1432 842979 | Company Limited by Guarantee No. 2367626 | Registered Charity No. 1000388 | Vat No. 927509504

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grml-live question
by Tony Sales 12 Jul '13

12 Jul '13

Hi, I want to make a custom version of grml for some blind students I am teaching programming to - I only want to make speakup active by default (commands: modprobe speakup_soft, espeakup), change the default keyboard layout to en_uk (command: loadkeys uk) and add a few example scripts. Is it possible to do this in a single line grml-live command? If not which config files would I have to add the commands to in order to make these relatively simple changes. drbongo This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of The Royal National College for the Blind. The Royal National College for the Blind | Venns Lane | Hereford | HR1 1DT | Tel: +44(0)1432 265725 | Fax: +44(0)1432 842979 | Company Limited by Guarantee No. 2367626 | Registered Charity No. 1000388 | Vat No. 927509504

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Facing issues in setting up persistency. Using the grml-rescueboot option
by Sawbones Surio 18 Mai '13

18 Mai '13

Hello, This is my third attempt at getting grml to run persistently. Previous attempts used grml2usb to install it in tandem with other OSs, first using the grub, and subsequently syslinux. Both attempts ended badly. So, the third time, it was decided to opt for the option, grml-rescueboot to get things going. 0. Get a working Linux Mint system (extended partition sdX5). fdisk -l output is provided below. 1. Copied the grml64.iso into /boot/grml 2. Set up a separate partition called grml-home ( ---"--"--- sdX10) for persistence. 3. Created persistence.conf in the / of grml-home and added all the paths as prescribed in the wiki. 4. Having already installed the grml-rescueboot package, running update-grub added the iso into the menu. 5. Reboot, and choose grml64.iso 6. In the subsequent menu, chose the persistence option 7. Was provided with the following (approximately): > BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/grml64full/vmlinuz apm=power-off boot=live > live-media-path=/live/grml64-full/ bootid=grml64full201302 nomce > findiso=/boot/grml/grml64-full_2013.02.iso "${loopback}" "$kernelopts" > persistence > 8. After persistence, appended the following: persistence-label=grml-home 9. Continue boot. During the boot, the messages scroll too quickly to make out if the persistence system is mounted or not. 10. mount on the command line gives: > grml@grml ~ % mount > tmpfs on /run type tmpfs > (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=755,size=10%,mode=755) > tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs > (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880,mode=1777,size=5242880,mode=1777) > proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) > rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) > /dev/loop0 on /lib/live/mount/medium type iso9660 (ro,noatime) > /dev/loop1 on /lib/live/mount/rootfs/grml64-full.squashfs type squashfs > (ro,noatime) > tmpfs on /lib/live/mount/overlay type tmpfs (rw,noatime,mode=755) > rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) > configfs on /sys/kernel/config type configfs (rw) > fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) > grml@grml ~ % > So, grml-home is not mounted or being used at all. And cat /proc/cmdline gives: > BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/grml64full/vmlinuz apm=power-off boot=live > live-media-path=/live/grml64-full/ bootid=grml64full201302 nomce > findiso=/boot/grml/grml64-full_2013.02.iso " " persistence > persistence-label=grml-home > Basically, no persistence partition was mounted. Despite the label added as a boot time. :-/ I would also like to bring your attention to the empty quotes in the above cmdline screen output. Last but not the least, here is the output of fdisk, to let you know my disk configuration: > grml@grml ~ % fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sdb: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes > 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 57231 cylinders, total 117210240 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x000a9f2a > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 2048 200703 99328 83 Linux > /dev/sdb2 200704 6492159 3145728 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > /dev/sdb3 6492160 48435199 20971520 83 Linux > /dev/sdb4 48435200 117209087 34386944 5 Extended > /dev/sdb5 48437248 69408767 10485760 83 Linux ## Linux > Mint > /dev/sdb6 69410816 86188031 8388608 83 Linux > /dev/sdb7 86190080 92049407 2929664 83 Linux > /dev/sdb8 92051456 95956991 1952768 83 Linux > /dev/sdb9 95959040 97535999 788480 83 Linux # contains > failed grml2usb --grub install > /dev/sdb10 97538048 98887679 674816 83 Linux ## grml-home > /dev/sdb11 98889728 101818367 1464320 83 Linux > /dev/sdb12 101820416 109631487 3905536 83 Linux > /dev/sdb13 109633536 117209087 3787776 83 Linux > > Disk /dev/sdc: 4089 MB, 4089446400 bytes > 61 heads, 60 sectors/track, 2182 cylinders, total 7987200 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00000000 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdc1 8192 7987199 3989504 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT > grml@grml ~ % > So, my questions, a) is there something extra that needs doing? b) why is persistence.conf or persistence-label not being picked up and honoured ? b) why those spaces in quotes in the commandline in the final output? d) .................................. ? I would greatly appreciate any insight from your end that I might be missing here. I would like to get this thing going forward, and recognising the grml-home partition and storing all my settings for the next session would be just fantastic. Many thanks in advance. Surio.

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Grml download size
by treaki 07 Mai '13

07 Mai '13

Hi, at first thanks for the good work. in my oppinion you offer the best linux live cd. but i have one thing to inprove: at your download site is written that the multiarch download size is 700MB. But infact that are 731MB to download. normaly its ok to round such sizes but at this point it isnt. im sure you know why :) so please correct this greetings and keep up the good work treaki -- |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| http://treaki.tk/ http://treaki.ath.cx/

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odd console output
by f gr 02 Mai '13

02 Mai '13

Hello. If I run the system by runlevel 1 (or 3) and type the command ls, zsh shows the following (as a normal user the same): ;root@hostname: ls [without any line breaks] The odd thing is that when I run the shell by a terminal emulator (in my case xfce4-terminal) the output is OK. set authenticate zifumuur set delivery off

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odd console output
by f gr 01 Mai '13

01 Mai '13

Hello. I use grml's zsh configuration on my distro. If I run the system by runlevel 1 (or 3) and type the command ls, zsh shows the following (as a normal user the same): ;root@hostname: ls [without any line breaks] The odd thing is that when I run the shell by a terminal emulator (in my case xfce4-terminal) the output is OK. set nomail on zifumuur

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partition tables
by Lupe Christoph 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

Hi! I just wrote GRML 96 Full 2013.02 to a new USB stick and wanted to adjust the partition table. But that wasn't valid (I'll demonstrate using the ISO): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ $ fdisk -l /sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. $ gdisk -l /sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.5 Partition table scan: MBR: MBR only BSD: not present APM: not present GPT: present Found valid MBR and GPT. Which do you want to use? 1 - MBR 2 - GPT 3 - Create blank GPT Your answer: 1 Warning! Main partition table overlaps the first partition by 34 blocks! You will need to delete this partition or resize it in another utility. Warning! Secondary partition table overlaps the last partition by 33 blocks! You will need to delete this partition or resize it in another utility. Disk /sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso: 1497088 sectors, 731.0 MiB Logical sector size: 512 bytes Disk identifier (GUID): EE7463AF-ED0A-4537-A878-963CCF70DFD9 Partition table holds up to 128 entries First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 1497054 Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries Total free space is 0 sectors (0 bytes) Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name $ gdisk -l /sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.5 Partition table scan: MBR: MBR only BSD: not present APM: not present GPT: present Found valid MBR and GPT. Which do you want to use? 1 - MBR 2 - GPT 3 - Create blank GPT Your answer: 2 Using GPT and creating fresh protective MBR. Warning! Main partition table overlaps the first partition by 34 blocks! You will need to delete this partition or resize it in another utility. Disk /sw/archive/grml/grml96-full_2013.02.iso: 1497088 sectors, 731.0 MiB Logical sector size: 512 bytes Disk identifier (GUID): 7A9EDD46-5620-4D0E-B375-F3D2B5CB6FC1 Partition table holds up to 128 entries First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 1497054 Partitions will be aligned on 64-sector boundaries Total free space is 642 sectors (321.0 KiB) Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name 2 1459520 1461247 864.0 KiB 0700 卉䡏批楲d敶╛嵤›搥 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We'll I can't read Chinese, maybe somebody can translate? ;-) The stick boots OK in MBR mode on a SONY VAIO with UEFI. I found strange partition tables on other ISOs, even older ones. Can you investigate how these partition tables are generated and fix that? It would be useful if you could change them on the stick with fdisk. Thank you! Lupe Christoph PS: I'll use grml2usb for now. -- | It is a well-known fact in any organisation that, if you want a job | | done, you should give it to someone who is already very busy. | | Terry Pratchett, "Unseen Academicals" |

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RC: disable zshrc's share_history feature by default?
by Michael Prokop 31 Mär '13

31 Mär '13

Hi, Grml's zshrc [http://grml.org/zsh/] uses 'setopt share_history' by default since ages. This option is responsible for making the history of one Zsh session available to others "kind-of-immediately". So when sending 'echo foobar' in one terminal, then pressing e.g. <return> in another zsh session of the same user then cursor up will show 'echo foobar' on the command line. While I personally like the feature and somewhat got used to it it's also one of the most discussed settings of grml-zshrc. It has the potential to do harm, especially if you aren't aware of that feature. This is why I'd like to disable this setting by default (but provide it as commented feature so it's trivial to just enable it on request). Of course you will be able to just customize it via e.g. .zshrc.local, it's really just about the default behaviour. Any objections against that switch? Happy to hear your {N,}ACKs. :) regards, -mika-

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installing onto harddisc?
by didi.segbert＠arcor.de 28 Mär '13

28 Mär '13

Hello can i install the latest grml on to a harddisk? I want to use grml on a dualbootsystem with windows8. Is speakup, brltty and espeakup or speechdispatcher included in the latest grml-version and is there a switch swspeak or blrtty? Regards. Dietmar

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Persistence not working
by Josh Lawrence 25 Mär '13

25 Mär '13

Hello all, I cannot get persistency to work with grml 2013.02. I'm creating a live USB stick using grml2usb installed on my Debian Wheezy machine. Per the wiki, I create a 700 MB fat16 partition for grml and give the remaining space as an ext3 partition labeled "persistence". On the persistence partition is persistence.conf setup per the wiki. I execute grml2usb either with --bootoptions="persistence" or by choosing persistence from the menu at boot (same result). When booting, here's what I see on the screen: mount: mounting /dev/sda on /root/lib/live/mount/persistence/sda failed: No such device [...snip...scans sdb sdc] later I get: mounting /live/medium on /root/lib/live/mount/medium failed: Invalid argument and later: Mount point '/root/lib/live/mount/persistence/sdb1' does not exist. Skipping mount ... Am I doing something wrong somewhere in this process? If not, is there a work-around that I can use? Thank you! Josh -- Josh Lawrence

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No dump/restore in the default images?
by Heiko Schlittermann 08 Mär '13

08 Mär '13

Hello, hopefully it's not a FAQ, but at least using a major search engine didn't give me a useful pointer … From the default GRML image (2013-02) I'm missing the dump package. This package contains dump(8) and restore(8) for ext{2,3,4} file systems. Probaby using dump(8) is not really necessary, but using restore(8) is my only option sometimes. Having amanda would be great too … Is there anything I can do to get these packages into GRML? Best regards from Dresden/Germany Viele Grüße aus Dresden Heiko Schlittermann -- SCHLITTERMANN.de ---------------------------- internet & unix support - Heiko Schlittermann, Dipl.-Ing. (TU) - {fon,fax}: +49.351.802998{1,3} - gnupg encrypted messages are welcome --------------- key ID: 7CBF764A - gnupg fingerprint: 9288 F17D BBF9 9625 5ABC 285C 26A9 687E 7CBF 764A - (gnupg fingerprint: 3061 CFBF 2D88 F034 E8D2 7E92 EE4E AC98 48D0 359B)-

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torrent file needs also update?
by Stephan Sperber 03 Mär '13

03 Mär '13

Hello, I dont know if i got the correct mirror, but the torrent file http://download.grml.org/grml96-full_2013.02.iso.torrent thinks that there need to be something downloaded althogh i already have the correct iso with the ceaec04b29f9263e384a54cda8c3bab0 md5. I just wanted to seed something for a good project. Please check the torrent files. Thx

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Grml - new stable release 2013.02 available
by Michael Prokop 27 Feb '13

27 Feb '13

Hi, we just released Grml 2013.02 - Grumpy Grinch. This release brings the Grml tools towards the upcoming Debian stable release (AKA wheezy), provides up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. More information is available in the release notes of Grml 2013.02: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2013.02/ Grab the latest Grml ISO(s) and spread the word! http://grml.org/download/ Thanks everyone and happy grml-ing, -mika-

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First Release Candidate of Grml version 2013.02 released
by Michael Prokop 25 Feb '13

25 Feb '13

Hi, so we did it again, the first release candidate of the upcoming Grml version 2013.02, code-named 'Grumpy Grinch' was released. This release brings the Grml tools towards the upcoming Debian stable release (AKA wheezy), provides up2date hardware support and fixes known bugs from the previous Grml release. For detailed information about the changes between 2012.05 and 2013.02 have a look at the official release announcement: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2013.02-rc1/ Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for end of February. regards, -mika- - for the Grml.org project

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Where can I download the file: grml_2011.05.iso ?
by Tom {Tomcat} Oehser 25 Feb '13

25 Feb '13

I can't find it anymore on the download sites? I thought I had it around, but can only find the 64bit version... -Thanks! -Tom -- "Let us do our duty in our shop or our kitchen, the market, the street, the office, the school, the home, just as faithfully as if we stood in the front rank of some great battle, and we knew that victory for mankind depended upon our bravery, strength, and skill. When we do that the humblest of us will be serving in that great army which achieves the welfare of the world." --Theodore Parker The little girl expects no declaration of tenderness from her doll. She loves it -- and that's all. It is thus that we should love. -- DeGourmont

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User feedback from Whonix creator
by adrelanos 07 Feb '13

07 Feb '13

Hi! > What are your reasons using Grml instead of other Live CDs? I am the creator of Whonix, which is an anonymous operating system based on Tor. A Debian derivative, run by most people inside Virtual Box. grml-debootstrap is used to create the .img files with the operating system packages. It's amazing and much more convenient than using debootstrap manually, creating a vm image manually, not to speak about installing grub inside a vm image. website: http://whonix.sf.net/ source code: https://github.com/adrelanos/Whonix > What are you missing from Grml? How can I change the path for /etc/debootstrap/etc/apt/sources.list to /home/user/something? If that's not possible yet, I am missing that command line option. Running scripts inside the image doesn't work reliable to me. I mean, there are no bugs, it works, creating the image with many packages takes too long and I tend to have small mistakes in my scripts and if I want to debug my chroot script, I really can't afford recreating the whole image. It takes too long. So I created half of the stuff myself, which I am missing in grml-debootstrap, but unfortunately paths are hardcoded for Whonix. * (un)mount the image. Could look like this: grml-debootstrap --mount /path/to/vm.img --to /tmp/mounted And then "cd /tmp/mounted" and look arround in the image, perhaps change a few things. After being done: grml-debootstrap --unmount /tmp/mounted * Run scripts inside the image without re-creating the image. Mouting an image, chrooting the image, running a script inside the image, unchrooting and unmounting. Could look like this: grml-debootstrap --mount /path/to/vm.img --run /path/to/script.sh * Mount the image interactively. Could look like this: grml-debootstrap --interactive /path/to/vm.img grml-debootstrap could mount the image, chroot into it, open a bash shell and upon exit the bash shell, unchroot and unmount. Also mounting user defined files/folders inside chroot would be necessary. * support for .vdi and .vmdk image creation * maybe a bit far fetched: creation of Virtual Box, Qubes OS etc. virtual machine description files, .ova format, which can be deployed and imported into Virtualizers * Ubuntu support (or can it be already build from Debian?) * built in support for using apt-cacher-ng to speed up re-creating of images * a tool for installing "normal" Debian on an encrypted (USB) harddisk - Ask for which hdd to use. - Focus on external hdds. - Format the hdd. - Partition the hdd. (Personally prefer a single partition and not using extra swap partition, but a swap file instead.) - Encrypt everything, but boot, including swap using cryptsetup/dm-crypt. - Install a "normal" (fully persistent) Debian to USB using debootstrap/chroot. ("Normal" as in if you used a Debian installer CD to install to hdd.) - Allow to mount/chroot the encrypted hdd if the password is given, so extra files can be copied and extra scripts can be applied. Thanks for creating and maintaining grml. Cheers! adrelanos

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network boot with nfs4 root
by Joerg Dorchain 06 Feb '13

06 Feb '13

Hello, I tried to setup a boot server with pxe. I followed loosely the wiki http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=terminalserver for that. So far all went fine, except mounting the root over nfs4. My nfs server is version4 only, and from packet logs I see that grml tries nfs version3 only over and over. Is this a bugs or is there some trick for get it to work with nfs4? Also, as I am using the grml96 iso image via a loopback mount, I would greatly appreciate if I could use the bootmenu for isolinux also for pxelinux. To me it seems it is mainly a matter of pathnames (and maybe symlinks) to get it to work with a statement like LABEL grml-from-iso CONFIG <iso-root>/boot/isolinux/<common.cfg> APPEND <<iso-root> from pxelinux.cfg Bye, Joerg

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zsh history completion via arrow keys
by John 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

Just discovered grmlzshrc and am loving it. One thing I cannot seem to figure out though is how to enable zsh history completion on up arrow that reads what I have typed and only completes matches? For example, I type: % vim ~/bin <<UPARROW>> The expected behavior is to autocomplete entries that begin with 'vim ~/bin' but that isn't what happens. When I hit UPARROW the auto complete lists shows anything that started with 'vim ' which ignores the ~/bin bit. I am using Arch Linux and the Distro provided grml-zsh-config package. The only configuration I have done is to copy /etc/skel/.zshrc to ~ Thank you!

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GRML Accessibility
by simon.eigeldinger＠vol.at 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

Hi all, Just for the list cause it seems John and Gilberto haven't sent their messages over the list. I'm forwarding John's message here. The old instructions don't work anymore a quite long time as far as i know. Greetings, Simon --- Forwarded Message --- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> Subject: RE: [Grml] does grml still include speakup? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:35:54 -0600 To: "'Simon Eigeldinger'" <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> There is a page on the wiki for the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists on using the accessibility features of grml (including speakup). http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml -----Original Message----- From: grml-bounces(a)ml.grml.org [ mailto:grml-bounces@ml.grml.org] On Behalf Of Simon Eigeldinger Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:10 PM To: grml(a)ml.grml.org Subject: [Grml] does grml still include speakup? Hi all, Anyone knows if grml still contains speakup in the images? and if yes how to start that? i seem have to forgotten how to start it. greetings, simon -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger(a)hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan(a)livejournal.com _______________________________________________ Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml join #grml on irc.freenode.org grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml.org/

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does grml still include speakup?
by Simon Eigeldinger 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

Hi all, Anyone knows if grml still contains speakup in the images? and if yes how to start that? i seem have to forgotten how to start it. greetings, simon -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger(a)hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan(a)livejournal.com

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GDM_KEYBOARD_LAYOUT us intl
by gilberto dos santos alves 31 Dez '12

31 Dez '12

it is possible use this with grml? because we need some chars like çÇõãÕÃ using utf-8? here is hardinfo environment vars in my debian squeeze 6.0.6 GDM_KEYBOARD_LAYOUTus intlGNOME_KEYRING_PID4846USERusradmHOME/home/usradm XDG_SESSION_COOKIE 8d20ede7783eb969b5343a030000000a-1356819828.797668-1398737120DESKTOP_SESSION gnomeGTK_MODULEScanberra-gtk-moduleGNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL/tmp/keyring-KUSiCV LOGNAMEusradmUSERNAMEusradmWINDOWPATH7GDM_LANGpt_BR.utf8PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/gamesDISPLAY:0.0LANG pt_BR.utf8XAUTHORITY/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-usradm-QmVXyF/databaseSHELL /bin/bashGDMSESSIONgnomePWD/home/usradmXDG_DATA_DIRS /usr/share/gnome:/usr/share/gdm/:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/PYTHONPATH /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gammuSSH_AUTH_SOCK /tmp/keyring-KUSiCV/sshSSH_AGENT_PID5245DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-bCkKVvKSPq,guid=301a8e7eeb51b495aa132bce000012ca GPG_AGENT_INFO/tmp/seahorse-W7jZ6V/S.gpg-agent:5259:1 GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_IDthis-is-deprecatedSESSION_MANAGERlocal/brzpc2012w5:@ /tmp/.ICE-unix/4871,unix/brzpc2012w5:/tmp/.ICE-unix/4871ORBIT_SOCKETDIR /tmp/orbit-usradmGTK_RC_FILES/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/usradm/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 thanks? -- gilberto dos santos alves +55.11.98646-5049 são paulo - sp - brasil

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grml2hd
by Chaitat Pi 30 Dez '12

30 Dez '12

Dear Grml I have been using Grml as my desktop environement for many years already. Just recently I got a new computer so I had to set up my new machine. I downloaded grml 2012.05 and found out that I couldn't find grml2hd anymore. I went through your FAQ but it only talked about how to install Debian. What should I do to have a Grml desktop? - apt-get install grml2hd and use grml2hd as before? - install Debian and run *some???* script to have all luxury Grml's super special configurations? How? Thank you very much. -- chaitat

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Thai characters are displays as squares
by Chaitat Pi 25 Dez '12

25 Dez '12

Dear Grml I thoroughly understand that Grml doesn't support installation on harddisk (grml2hd). It is ok if you won't fix it. I just would like to inform you. And if it is easy to fix, I just wish maybe you would consider it. Grml 2012.05 32-bit Running as a live system, inside grml-x, it displays Thai characters properly as in screenshot grml-x-livecd.png . Running from harddisk (grml2hd), inside grml-x, it doesn't display Thai characters properly. It shows square letters instead as in screenshot grml-x-grml2hd.png . This has never happened before with other version of Grml I have been using (grml2hd). I just think that grml2hd just installs the same state as the running live Grml into harddisk. Maybe there are some more complex tasks involved? Maybe it is easy to fix? Maybe not? As I already mentioned above, I won't be upset if you won't fix this. Merry X'mas ; )))) I love Grml. -- chaitat

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Does speakup continue to work in grml after installation to hard drive?
by Doug Smith 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

To whom it may concern: I am attempting to get an answer to a question before I change back to permanently using grml as my production os. Does speakup screen reader continue to work in grml 12.05 after it has been installed on the hard drive? There was a previous version I tried and, after installation, I couldn't get it to talk again. I hope this one will. Thanks for your help. -- Doug Smith: Special Agent S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.

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disable remove media message at shutdown / restart
by Kaj Kunstheim 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Hello, I just build a customized grml-iso withgrml-live. When I shutdown or restart my fency custom grml I get a messages which tells me to remove the usb-stick and hit enter (auto shutdown / reboot within 2 minutes). Is there any way to disable this behavior? Cheers Kaj

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Re: [Grml] errormessage at the start
by didi.segbert＠arcor.de 05 Nov '12

05 Nov '12

## Originalempfaenger: mika(a)grml.org Hello Mika, thanks for your answer. I have done a aptitude update and aptitude safe- upgrade, but the version of grml-autoconfig ist 9.51. In my sources-list ist the adress http://deb.grml.org/ grml-stable. Must i change the above adress? Dietmar > mika(a)grml.org schrieb am 04.11.12: > Hi, > [explicitely Cc-ing you as you sent your mail to grml(a)mur.at > AFAICS, which is the old mailing list - > http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml is the new one - and I > just want to make sure my mail reaches you.] > * Dietmar Segbert [Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 07:22:00AM +0100]: >> i use grm squeeze on my netbook asus 1005ha-m. >> If the system starts there is the following errormessage: >> /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 45: local: can only be used >> in a /function >> /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 1446: syntax error near >> unexpected /token `newline' >> /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 1446: ` get_remote_file >> "$URI" /"/dev/null" >/dev/null 2>&1 &!' >> Can i you help me? > Please try upgrading to grml-autoconfig v0.9.60 and report back > whether this fixes your issue. > regards, > -mika-

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errormessage at the start
by didi.segbert＠arcor.de 04 Nov '12

04 Nov '12

Hello, i use grm squeeze on my netbook asus 1005ha-m. If the system starts there is the following errormessage: /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 45: local: can only be used in a /function /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 1446: syntax error near unexpected /token `newline' /etc/grml/autoconfig.functions: line 1446: ` get_remote_file "$URI" /"/dev/null" >/dev/null 2>&1 &!' Can i you help me? Regards Dietmar

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locale and keyboard layout grml
by gilberto dos santos alves 01 Nov '12

01 Nov '12

hi. i use grml since 2010 and lot of times i recovery servers, linux, windows etc. here in brazil we use pt_BR (with locale latin1 or utf8). in debian/ubuntu we use us international keyboard layout for produce characters like (~, ç, ã, õ, á, à etc). in pt_BR keyboard layouts we have abnt and abnt2 (associação brasileira de normas tecnicas www.abnt.org.br). debian and ubuntu already handle this ok. Please i not understant grml.org docs for procedures that create these for grml. it is possivel include these possibilities of keyboard and locale? best regards from brazil! -- gilberto dos santos alves +55.11.98646-5049 são paulo - sp - brasil

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Request for help: Persistency on Grml
by Michael Prokop 11 Jun '12

11 Jun '12

Hi! As you might know Grml provides a feature named persistency which allows you to store your settings/software and reuse them on reboot. The code that provides that feature is part of Debian's live-boot, which is what we're using as base for our live-boot-grml. The relevant bootoption was renamed from "persistent" to "persistence" by Debian's live-boot developers recently, sadly our docs at http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=persistency don't match reality anymore. As Charles Hewson already noted in the Grml wiki (thanks, Charles!) the best resources WRT persistency are man live-boot, live-persistence.conf and live-snapshot as well as http://live.debian.net/manual/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behavio… Note: the live-manual matches the behaviour of the old "persistent" code, not the one with "persistence" yet. A discussion around those changes are available in the thread at https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2012/04/msg00110.html Is there anyone willing to help us in improving the persistency documentation for Debian/Grml? regards, -mika-

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New Grml developer: Markus Ulrich
by Michael Prokop 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Hi Grml-ers, I'm happy to be able to announce that Markus 'bionix' Ulrich just joined the Grml team. Please welcome Markus as offical Grml developer. Welcome in the team, Markus! regards, -mika-

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Grml - new stable release 2012.05 available
by Michael Prokop 30 Mai '12

30 Mai '12

Hi, we just released Grml 2012.05 - Ponyhof. Thanks for all the feedback we received for our 2011.12 release, we took it serious and hope that everyone finds 2012.05 such a wonderful release as we consider it to be. There were some changes between 2012.05-rc1 and the new stable release. The most important ones are: • Update to Kernel 3.3.7 • Added sysstat (and imvirt-helper was pulled in as dependency) • Fixed Grub2, iPXE and MirOS bsd4grml boot options for 64bit ISO • Added wallpaper • Fixed lang boot option for grml-small flavour As you might notice the grml-small flavour came back. So it's two flavours (grml-full + grml-small) and two architectures (x86 + amd64) now. The grml96 option - which provides the x86 and the amd64 version on one single ISO (grml96 = grml32 + grml64) - is available for your service as well. We want to thank all the people involved in this awesome release. The Grml Developers, our Contributors and all the other people involved in this release. More information is available in the release notes of Grml 2012.05: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2012.05/ Now download the latest Grml ISO and spread the word! http://grml.org/download/ regards, -mika-

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First Release Candidate of Grml version 2012.05 released
by Michael Prokop 25 Mai '12

25 Mai '12

Hi, so we did it again, the first release candidate of the upcoming version 2012.05, code-named 'Ponyhof' was just released. For detailed information about the changes between 2011.12 and 2012.05 have a look at the official release announcement: http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2012.05-rc1/ Several tools that have been reported to be missing on the downsized 2011.12 release have been re-added. This release also brings the grml-small flavour back to life. Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back, so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for end of May. regards, -mika-

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New Grml developer: Evgeni Golov
by Michael Prokop 16 Mai '12

16 Mai '12

Hi Grml-ers, I'm proud to be able to announce that the Grml team just grew again: Please welcome Evgeni 'zhenech' Golov as official Grml core developer! Welcome in the Grml team, Evgeni! regards, -mika-

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Testing current daily ISOs to go towards new release
by Michael Prokop 15 Mai '12

15 Mai '12

Hi, the current Grml daily ISOs (http://daily.grml.org/) feature a fresh 3.3.4 Linux kernel and I plan to work towards a 2012-05-rc0 release throughout the next days. Everyone who wants to see 2012-05-rc0 actually happen is invited to grab the current daily ISOs (the testing flavours of grml-full + grml-small, 64bit and 32bit) and report any issues we should address before releasing rc0. Let's get ready to rumble :) regards, -mika-

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making hardware speech work
by John Heim 14 Mai '12

14 Mai '12

I was wondering if the grml team would be interested in making hardware speech work in grml. I have a kernel patch that fixes a problem in the linux screen reader, speakup, to make it work with certain hardware speech synthesizers. I don't know how to get it into the actual kernel code and I haven't even tried yet. But the patch file can be downloaded here: http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/downloads/patch-2012-03-06.patch Then you cd to your linux source dir and do this: patch -i patch-2012-03-06.patch drivers/staging/speakup/serialio.c" If you do that, you could also include a udev rules file that starts speech automatically if certain hardware synths are connected at boot time. That file is here: http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/downloads/10-speakup.rules

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planning to switch back, a couple of questions
by Doug Smith 14 Mär '12

14 Mär '12

Ok, and hi, there. This is Doug with a bit of good news. One of your blind grmlers is coming home. I just have to know the answers to a couple of questions, and I will give you the reason why I decided to take the nestea plunge, so to speak. First of all, I know how to start speakup on the live cd. press q and return to be sure you're out of that quick config menu and can work in the console. modprobe speakup_soft; espeakup Then hit return twice. What I want to know is this: How can I have an accessible login that will start speaking when I need to log in on a hard disk installation of grml? Don't worry, I have performed a blue billion of these and I know just how to avoid accidents. I know you do not necessarily encourage installs. The next question I have is this: What happens on a hard disk install? For example, I have everything talking when I install. Will it still be there when I reboot the installed system? If yes, then great. If not, all my work will not be in vain, grml is always better to me than that. I have always been able to get myself out of messes. My next question is: if I need to put speakup_soft start = 1 in the /etc/modules file so that it will be loaded on startup, that's no problem. The question is where do I put the startup for espeakup so that it comes up talking at the login screen? If that's not the solution, will I still have the four beeps when grml has finished booting? Now, the final question. Are there any other blind grmlers who are using edbrowse? The reason I wonder about all this is because I have found it supports javascript. I hope it will work on radio station sites and other sites with streaming media when using mplayer to actually play the media. Is this true? Will I be able to stream radio stations live, use http://www.dishonline.com, access my http://www.learningally account, play internet radio on http://www.jango.com, watch youtube videos and videos from http://www.nascar.com if I use mplayer to actually play the streams and fix this in the configuration file? I have read, over there on the speakup mailing list about people who use latex for their formatted writing projects. They say its better than any word processor on the commercial market today. How do you view the formatted results of your work with a command line program? What do you use? Well, that's about all I have to ask for now. Now, I want to tell you why I decided to finally try to come back home. In the GUI world, there are many changes going on on. Right now, it's broken this and inaccessible that. Not only that, I am sick and tired and fed up to here with graphical interfaces. I have had to use them for the last couple or three years, and that is just so unnatural to me, a person who was raised on the command line. The common response to this is: "We have had the command line since day one and we have been trying to get away from it since day two." Well, I respond this way: You have had the graphical interface since day 2 and I have been trying to get away from that since day 2.5. It is just so unnatural to go tabbing and arrowing around and alt-tabbing and shift-tabbing and control-shift-tabbing around to get an app to work. I just like the good old program options files and off it goes to do my bidding. If I can get answers to these questions, I will be coming back soon. I hope to bring some other blind people with me in the future. Well, that should do it for now. I am sure you are tired of reading my ramblings. Please get back to me as soon as possible. Sincerely yours: Doug Smith

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lynx browser and playing audio
by didi.segbert＠arcor.de 10 Mär '12

10 Mär '12

Hello, i have installed grml squeeze on my netbook. I use lynx as browser. If i try to play a mp3-file or an other audio-file out of lynx, the alsaplayer will be started, bat a error appears on the bootom of lynx. If i look in /tmp/user/1000/ there is a tempory file of the audio-file mit the extension ".m4a". any ideas? What can i do or what is the mechanismus of lynx to play audio and to create the file "*.m4a"? Thanks for your help. Regards Dietmar

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loop-AES removed: PANIC
by Fog_Watch 07 Mär '12

07 Mär '12

I downloaded Knecht Rootrecht overnight, booted it this morning and thought I'ld just check whether it still contained loop-AES. It doesn't. IT DOESN'T. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. First, Knoppix, now GRML. PANIC. Loop-AES is fast, efficient, cool, essential and all my software and data sit on it. Breathe deeply. I'm calming down now. Please, maintainers, may I have loop-AES back? Regards Fog_Watch -- "A. Because it breaks the logical order of conversation. Q. Why is top posting bad?"

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LINUX 26 Kernel vs live 2011.12
by Everett Bennett 07 Mär '12

07 Mär '12

Is there an easy way to install and add the linux26 kernel to the current grml-live version? Everett Bennett, Jr.

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Updating USB stick with persistency option?
by Stefan Weiss 28 Feb '12

28 Feb '12

Hello. I'm trying out to the persistency feature for the first time. I had a 4GB USB stick lying around, so I'm following the example in the wiki more or less verbatim. What I'm wondering is, can this USB stick be updated when the next Grml version is released? Up until now, there was never any user data on the stick (or CD), but now there could be something worth preserving in $HOME. I'm not sure how exactly the persistency snapshots work, but I guess simply running grml2usb with the new ISO won't be enough. It's no big deal if an update isn't possible. I'll expect there will only be a couple of shell scripts and .debs in my $HOME, and I can easily transfer them to a different partition before updating. If that's the case, should I wipe the home-rw, live-rw, and GRMLCFG partitions when I install the new ISO? Thanks, stefan

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Re: [Grml] Updating USB stick with persistency option?
by Stefan Weiss 27 Feb '12

27 Feb '12

On 2012-02-27 15:35, William Gardella wrote: > Stefan, > > In my experience and understanding, Debian Live persistence does present > some issues with upgrading the underlying live system. The files found > in snapshots/persistence partitions always pre-empt their equivalents on > the image, which Debian Live seems to always assume to be older than the > snapshot. So if you have been apt-get upgrading and installing lots of > software to live-rw, for example, that will prevent any newer package > versions on the ISO from being seen. With home-rw, there shouldn't be > as big of a headache, but of course if you have altered the > grml-installed configuration files, those versions will remain and > preempt the ISO (you will have to copy over new grml user configuration > manually if you want it). I don't know about GRMLCFG because I don't > use it, but my guess would be that it will continue to replace the > relevant bits of /etc/ exactly as it did on your previous ISO version. > > So I guess it will probably save some headaches to wipe live-rw, but > home-rw should be okay. > > Best, > Will Thanks, that makes sense. I think I'll just play it safe and wipe all the snapshot partitions before I upgrade. It's unlikely that I'll make major adjustments to the system anyway, apart from installing a few packages and storing shell scripts in $HOME. - stefan

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Re: [Grml] Adding hostapn package to grml-iso
by Matthias Strubel 20 Feb '12

20 Feb '12

Am 17.02.2012, 12:00 Uhr, schrieb <grml-request(a)ml.grml.org>: > We've added it to the GRML_FULL class: > > http://git.io/YQA5MA > > so it will be shipped with the upcoming stable release. > > regards, > -mika- Geat! Thank you. best regards Matthias

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Booting grml from the iso file itself
by Arbiel Perlacremaz 18 Feb '12

18 Feb '12

Hi I downloaded grml96_2011.12.iso and I would be glad to boot this file without having to burn a CD or to write it down to a USB stick. I've already done this for Ubuntu distros and for Clonezilla, and I found it very helpful. I've been through the iso file to look for the grub.cfg file and I found out that I could write a little grub.cfg file of my own to launch grub.cfg which resides in the iso file. I got the menu generated by the following lines for config in /boot/grub/*_default.cfg ; do source "$config" ; done for config in /boot/grub/*_options.cfg ; do source "$config" ; done source /boot/grub/addons.cfg and I choose the first entry, grml32. The boot process than proceded until I got an error message stating that BOOT failed grml32 2011.12 Release Codename Knecht Rootrecht [2011-12-23] And the explanation was Unable to find a medium containing a live file system. I suppose this message results from the fact that I've not been able to correctly set the iso_path and the kernelopts variables which are used as parameters of the linux command of the menuentry command. The grub.cfg file I wrote contains the following commands function iso_virtuel { search --file --set=root --no-floppy /${2} loopback iso ${1}${2} } menuentry 'grmliso' { iso_virtuel / "grml96_2011.12.iso" set root=(iso) set iso_path=(iso) configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg } Thank's in advance to anybody would could provide me with some piece of advice. Arbiel

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Re: [Grml] Adding hostapn package to grml-iso
by Matthias Strubel 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

Hi William, Hi Mika, > Do you mean the hostapd package? yes > Remastering At weekends I'm playing around with bootstrap installation via grml in a virtual machine for testing remastering :) best regards Matthias 2012/2/2 William Gardella <gardellawg(a)gmail.com>: > Matthias, > > Piratebox is awesome and so is grml :) > > There are two options: > > 1. Use grml-live to remaster and make a new image, as described in > http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=remastering ; or > > 2. Use grml's debian live persistence features to add the package and > any config changes to an additional partition. > > Obviously, #1 is easier for redistributing to others, because you get a > nice shiny new ISO with your changed config/package set, but #2 takes a > lot less time. > > Cheers, > Will Gardella > > Matthias Strubel <matthias.strubel(a)aod-rpg.de> writes: > >> Hi, >> >> i'm working on the PirateBox (http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox) >> scripts for debian based system >> (http://piratebox.aod-rpg.de/dokuwiki/doku.php) . I love grml very >> much and just discovered all needed packages for the basic >> Piratebox-Solution a alread installed at the image. Only hostapn is >> missing... (yeah, I know, you can install it later) >> >> Is it possible to add the package hostapn to the grml-image on default? >> Hostapn is a tool to create an accesspoint with wifi-cards, which >> can't switch into "Master"-mode >> >> best regards >> Matthias Strubel >> _______________________________________________ >> Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org >> http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml >> join #grml on irc.freenode.org >> grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml.org/ > > -- > I use grml (http://grml.org/)

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Adding hostapn package to grml-iso
by Matthias Strubel 15 Feb '12

15 Feb '12

Hi, i'm working on the PirateBox (http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox) scripts for debian based system (http://piratebox.aod-rpg.de/dokuwiki/doku.php) . I love grml very much and just discovered all needed packages for the basic Piratebox-Solution a alread installed at the image. Only hostapn is missing... (yeah, I know, you can install it later) Is it possible to add the package hostapn to the grml-image on default? Hostapn is a tool to create an accesspoint with wifi-cards, which can't switch into "Master"-mode best regards Matthias Strubel

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OT: grml in remote VirtualBox
by T o n g 28 Jan '12

28 Jan '12

Hi, Anyone has rdesktop to remote VirtualBox grml before? I want to run grml in remote headless VirtualBox, but also want to have a local X env for other people who does not have local X, using rdesktop connecting to grml. So far I haven't been able to: $ rdesktop 192.168.2.103 & ERROR: 192.168.2.103: unable to connect Has anyone done that before, or knows how? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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gpm in grml 2011.12
by T o n g 27 Jan '12

27 Jan '12

Hi, Has anyone noticed that gpm in grml 2011.12 is using right instead of middle click to paste? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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grml live-usb and truecrypt?
by Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner 26 Jan '12

26 Jan '12

Dear list, I've been using grml-live-usb sticks for disaster cases since a few years. No I have "my own" disaster case - the system SSD starts to break, and the datastore-hdd is true-encrypted. I most probably won't get a network connection during the recovery process. How can I get truecrypt onto my usb-key "in advance"? Thanks for any hints in advance, Stefan

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Re: [Grml] Missing smbmount
by Dirk Becker 23 Jan '12

23 Jan '12

On 20.01.2012 17:54, Werner Flamme wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dirk Becker [20.01.2012 17:04]: >> Hi all! >> >> I was using GRML very often for mounting SMB shares via 'mount -t >> smbfs'. Unfortunately smbfs seems to be removed since GRML >> 2011.12. Is there a workaround or any other way to mount Samba >> shares? >> >> -Dirk > > Hi Dirk, > > I'm no sure if the package is installed by default, but "mount -t > cifs" should work. I don't remember the package's name - something > with "cifs" in its name, maybe cifs-utils as in Ubuntu. > > HTH > Werner Hi Werner, there is neither a 'mount -t cifs' nor a 'mount -t smbfs'. Seems to be completely removed, I also can't find the packages in http://grml.org/files/grml32_2011.12/dpkg.list Does anybody know why they were removed? I found them very useful. -Dirk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8ZnCsACgkQk33Krq8b42NDtACeMWoF78DV3sWGGw1qc7GR9mVC > NCYAnj2RFKGBmZF5guiM4nwhDb63XTz9 > =HY7i > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org > http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml > join #grml on irc.freenode.org > grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml.org/

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Missing smbmount
by Dirk Becker 20 Jan '12

20 Jan '12

Hi all! I was using GRML very often for mounting SMB shares via 'mount -t smbfs'. Unfortunately smbfs seems to be removed since GRML 2011.12. Is there a workaround or any other way to mount Samba shares? -Dirk

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Trying to get modules to load & services to start at boot
by John Magolske 17 Jan '12

17 Jan '12

Hi, I have grml installed on my ThinkPad (grml2hd 05/16/2011), and am having trouble getting modules to load & services to start at boot. I did: # echo tp_smapi >> /etc/modules But after booting, tp_smapi is not present and I end up having to manually load it. There's a post from 2005 [1] that says the solution is to activate /etc/init.d/module-init-tools in /etc/runlevel.conf. Is this still required? If so, as I don't see module-init-tools in that file, I'm wondering where in the lineup should it should be and at which runlevels it should start. Also, I added these lines to /etc/sysfs.conf : devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh=82 devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh=92 vm.swappiness=5 But those values are not reflected after reboot: # cat /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/*_charge_thresh 89 96 # cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness 60 So they have to be set manually: # echo 82 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh # echo 92 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh # sysctl vm.swappiness=5 To start postfix I added this line to /etc/init.d/bootlocal.first : /etc/init.d/postfix restart But postfix doesn't start up at boot. Thanks for any suggestions on how to set these things up properly. [1] http://ml.grml.org/pipermail/grml/2005-November/008349.html Regards, John -- John Magolske http://B79.net/contact

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Re: [Grml] Statement regarding the Grml "reset" with 2011.12 release
by Lupe Christoph 05 Jan '12

05 Jan '12

Hi! I just tried to put these ISOs on the same USB stick: grml64_2011.12.iso grml32_2011.12.iso grml64_2011.05.iso grml_2011.05.iso (I wanted to have the older versions around because my paranoia tells me I will need one of the programs that were deleted, by I want to use the newer versions to find out if I really do.) It turns out that grml2usb used the flavour to generate the syslinux menu entries: Debug: 2012-01-05 12:31:35,505 Note: you can boot flavour grml using 'grml' on the commandline. Debug: 2012-01-05 12:31:35,505 Note: you can boot flavour grml32 using 'grml32' on the commandline. Debug: 2012-01-05 12:31:35,505 Note: you can boot flavour grml64 using 'grml64' on the commandline. So I'm able to boot the older versions because I specified the later on the command line, and grml32_2011.12.iso because the flavour changed to grml32. And grml64 was selected as the default flavour because it came first. Only the version was replaced. Looks like I would have to fiddle with the contents of one of the grml64 ISOs to accomplish my goal. Any suggestions? Yeah, I know, buy another USB stick, they're cheap ;-) Thanks, Luep Christoph -- | It is a well-known fact in any organisation that, if you want a job | | done, you should give it to someone who is already very busy. | | Terry Pratchett, "Unseen Academicals" |

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A New Year and a big thank you.
by Charles Alan Hewson 31 Dez '11

31 Dez '11

Hi All, First, I want to thank the developers, testers and contributors. I have used GRML for years as an on the road work environment. I have customized with grml-live since it was introduced. Think firmware and cross-platform encryption that can not be redistributed. We all use the best tool for the need if it is rescue, recovery, repair, privacy or security. After 40 years in the business I appreciate what these fine people are doing as we all should. Second, I am resolved to contribute more to this project and the community in 2012. I can test what I use more thoroughly and check the upstream for the feature or bug. The developers use 64 bit boxes. If we expect to use a 32 bit GRML for 2 more years we need to test it. This was not intended to start a rant just to be a reminder. Charles

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mirror grml
by John Heim 30 Dez '11

30 Dez '11

I would like to set up a grml mirror site. How do I do that?

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grml as host system
by Philippe Delavalade 30 Dez '11

30 Dez '11

Hi. I have already complain about the removal of the brltty boot option in the new release. Now, I realise that the new grml is nomore suitable as host system to build linuxfromscratch ; previously I recommanded it as livecd for this purpous but now, important packages are missing... It's sad. -- Ph. Delavalade

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Let me reframe the question, then I'll go join the devel list...
by Tom {Tomcat} Oehser 28 Dez '11

28 Dez '11

So, I will take the suggestion to go participate on the devel list... And I understand the reluctance to just keep stuff that isn't tested... And, it even makes sense to see what people scream about, after all, there is an old saying, if you don't wear it for a year, throw it away... But, I think it is fair to re-frame the question, in a _rescue_ context. For rescue, one often finds oneself suddenly with _only_ one's rescue media. Having the latest kernel isn't so important, but being able to quickly and easily do something-or-other *at all* is important. So the question is, we've been talking about what 11.12 removes. For _rescue_, what does it _add_ over 11.5? EFI boot support is a candidate for something that would matter, but cleanup, mDNS, auto-startups, build stuff for grml, zsh config, terminal fonts, etc . - doesn't really matter. For me personally, I use grml for rescue and reformats and recoveries. Often I boot virtual machines with it, also, to do something-or-other to a copy of a running machine. I'm not kidding that the most common thing I do boils down to chains of netcat/tar/cpio/lzop/gzip/buffer/nc to move around disk images or virtual machines, and having both buffer and lzop even considered for removal gives me pause that maybe this tool is going in a direction different than what my uses and needs are. So, for me, the question is really simple - 2011.05 is a pefect fit for my current needs - should I just take that as the gold-standard final- release and not look back? 2011.05 is working _fine_ for me - even a couple of hours to learn how to build a -full myself, never mind the hours to become active, is more driven by idle curiosity and a desire to support the tool than it is by common sense. Common sense for me would be, 2011.05 ain't broke and I'm unlikely to have hardware in the next 5 years that cares for newer kernels. Common sense would be to slide the write protect tab on a few USB sticks and figure you've painted your masterpiece and it is done. The question is, what reasons are there to upgrade? Aside from it being smaller and advantages arising directly from it being smaller? -Tom -- "Let us do our duty in our shop or our kitchen, the market, the street, the office, the school, the home, just as faithfully as if we stood in the front rank of some great battle, and we knew that victory for mankind depended upon our bravery, strength, and skill. When we do that the humblest of us will be serving in that great army which achieves the welfare of the world." --Theodore Parker The little girl expects no declaration of tenderness from her doll. She loves it -- and that's all. It is thus that we should love. -- DeGourmont

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Statement regarding the Grml "reset" with 2011.12 release
by Michael Prokop 28 Dez '11

28 Dez '11

Dear Grml users and developers, you might have noticed the rumble in the Grml community about the new "install & rescue" mission of Grml and the dropped grml-small and 700MB ISOs.[1] Be assured that we take all the raised concerns serious. I for my own not only because I'm the project inventor, but also since it's one of my main projects which I'm maintaining for more than 7 years (the seven-year itch?) and personally do *really* care about. So I'd like to give some backgrounds of what's going on, all of that being from *my* personal POV. Christian - being the other release manager in the Grml project - did an outstanding job for this release and was a driving force to get this release done at all. To get a common starting point I'd like you to read Christian's blog article describing his POV of the 2011.12 release: http://zeha.at/blog/2011/12/grml-pissed-off.html To quote Christian: | Sure, it's hard to swallow and most people can just ignore the | alternative: no release at all. And that's the reason why the reset button had to be pressed for this Grml release. The download stats show that the Grml project is serving several thousand users. To quote Christoph Biedl: | Rest assured Grml has a very pleased user base, perhaps a bit too | quiet, and as always more taking than giving. A "Keep Grml just the | way it is, it's almost perfect" might be boring but it's actually a | compliment about the things you've achieved in the past seven-ish | years. -- http://ml.grml.org/pipermail/grml-devel/2011-December/000217.html And that's exactly our issue: we can't keep the "more taking than giving" project any longer that way. Even though our *users* are happy, the *developers* aren't happy any longer. To quote Frank, another Grml developer: | But it is equally important, that everyone understands, that the few | people who do the major work on rolling out releases (and I am not one | of them by a long shot) on a fairly regular schedule only have 24 | hours in a day, just like everyone else. The workload needed to be | contained at a doable level. | [...] | That aside, I don't see the changes as being damaging, but rather as a | chance. I agree that there are some packages that are missing. But it's | only *now* that we get to know what these packages were. It is a well | deserved cleanup of our list of packages, because we now get to see | which packages deserve attention and which do not. -- http://ml.grml.org/pipermail/grml/2011-December/011295.html Since we've a real life as well (earning money, having family, sleeping,... - you know) we have to keep the project at level at which we can manage it in our spare time. This was no longer true for the large set of packages rolling with 2x 700MB ISOs, 2x ~230MB ISOs and 2x ~120MB ISOs. Instead we declared "install & rescue" as our main mission to focus on a specific target. We created a new Grml flavour, known as the new GRML_FULL in grml-live and resulting in grml32 and grml64 ISOs with ~350MB. grml96 (being a multiboot ISO of grml64 and grml32) is new as well - though since it's basically just the result of "grml2iso -o grml96_${release}.iso grml64_*.iso grml32_*.iso" we're not yet 100% certain about its future. At the same time all the previous flavours still ARE there in grml-live: GRML_SMALL and GRML_MEDIUM as it used to be, the old GRML_FULL (700MB) just got renamed to GRML_XL. So if you want to create your own grml-small/grml-medium/grml-xl just use grml-live (http://grml.org/grml-live/). Remastering became once again simplier with this release: http://blog.grml.org/archives/364-Remastering-Grml-2011.12-will-be-as-easy-… But it's NOT as simple as just maintaining a software list in a textfile inside grml-live.git. It's *also* about testing (some kind of regularly for the daily ISOs and more extensive testing of release candidates), fixing failing builds (daily ISOs as well as Git-triggered ones), integration in Grml tools (grml-quickconfig, grml-x,...) as well as providing sane default configurations and giving user support ("why doesn't foo work?"). So we need help not only at maintaining the flavours (as in main development/coding), but also at: * testing, testing, testing * documentation * website ( https://github.com/grml/grml.org ) * bug fixing ( http://bts.grml.org/grml/ ) * user support (IRC, mailing lists,...) * marketing (spreading the word, blogging, twitter/identi.ca,...) * press stuff While the 2011.12 release might not be perfect we worked a *lot* to make the "one button click release" dream come true. The release process became much more streamlined so we even consider providing a 2012.01 release which addresses known bugs and re-adds some software packages. We also put a lot of work into our infrastructure (Jenkins, mirror, github,...) which is serving not only developers but also our users. If you care about Grml and would like to see grml-small, grml-xl,... come back again or want to see a texttool flavour, a development flavour, a pen testing flavour, or $YOU_NAME_IT then please don't just send flames (which is nothing else than pissing in our face and further demotivating us) but step up and help us *NOW*! You can find us on #grml on freenode, the user mailing list (http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml), the development mailing list ( http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml-devel) and patch/fork/pull-request our stuff at https://github.com/grml/ Be assured: The Grml team will do whatever is necessary to make contributions as easy and pleasant as possible. But please join our community NOW if you really care about it. regards, -mika- [1] [Grml-devel] About the new grml direction http://ml.grml.org/pipermail/grml-devel/2011-December/000213.html [Grml] Grml 2011.12 trolling^W comments from disappointed user(s) http://ml.grml.org/pipermail/grml/2011-December/011283.html

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removal of "buffer" command? alternatives?
by Tom {Tomcat} Oehser 28 Dez '11

28 Dez '11

Hi- Up until this release, the 'buffer' command was included. I use this all the time. Things like: nc -l 12345 | buffer -z256k -p75 -m10m -o /dev/sda Gone? :( Is there an alternative? -Tom -- "Let us do our duty in our shop or our kitchen, the market, the street, the office, the school, the home, just as faithfully as if we stood in the front rank of some great battle, and we knew that victory for mankind depended upon our bravery, strength, and skill. When we do that the humblest of us will be serving in that great army which achieves the welfare of the world." --Theodore Parker The little girl expects no declaration of tenderness from her doll. She loves it -- and that's all. It is thus that we should love. -- DeGourmont

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Wrong link adress for Grml96 ISO signature file
by Christian Ziemski 25 Dez '11

25 Dez '11

Hi! The link to the signature file for the Grml96 ISO at http://grml.org/download/ is wrong. It is the same as for Grml64: http://download.grml.org/grml64_2011.12.iso.sha1.asc but it need to be http://download.grml.org/grml96_2011.12.iso.sha1.asc The file itself is correctly reachable under the latter address. BTW: Merry Christmas to all Grml users and the complete team! Regards Christian

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Grml 2011.12 trolling^W comments from disappointed user(s)
by Paweł azhag Sadkowski 24 Dez '11

24 Dez '11

Hello, first: congratulations with the new release. However I want to share with you some thoughts about new Grml. Up to Grml 2011.05 you were providing excelent set of tools for everything, I'm not sure if there was a single job one couldn't do with Grml (besides playing with wobbly windows or OOo/LO stuff, but thats not what admins usualy do ;-)). From my point of view Grml was livecd one of the kind. I did lots of advocating, had lots of conversations like "I prefer XYZ", "Look at all that tools in Grml, you can do all stuff you do in XYZ and many more", "Oh, it really looks nice". My personal motto of Grml was "What can't you do?". And then comes 2011.12. Many apps, many tools were removed. Now I can't tell the difference between Grml and SystemRescueCD, PLD Rescue CD, Repair Is Possible and others. Grml for me lost it's identity, just another rescue live cd. I already twice faced question "Why should I use Grml not SystemRescueCD? SRCD has some tools I need, Grml doesn't". Those tools were already (re-)added by mrud (one in rc1, so it's in final release), but the damage has been done -- one user replied "I better stick to distro that already have what I need without asking", other won't use Grml until next release. Another person actually listed $LONG_LONG_LONG_LIST_OF_REMOVED_TOOLS and asked "What can you do with Grml (except grml-debootstrap)?!". I couldn't find the answer. Is there any chance that since next release you will change your priorities back to <=2011.05 state? Or at least can you add -extended verison of Grml, similar to good old -full? Probably I can help with that, if you need some. Kind regards, Paweł azhag Sadkowski

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Grml 2011.12 - Knecht Rootrecht released
by Ulrich Dangel 24 Dez '11

24 Dez '11

Just in time for the holidays we released today, Dec. 23th, Grml 2011.12 - Knecht Rootrecht. The codename is a play on the term 'Knecht Ruprecht' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knecht_ruprecht#Knecht_Ruprecht - http://xkcd.com/838/ For the changes between 2011.12-rc1 and the final release please have a look at out blog - http://blog.grml.org/archives/368-Grml-new-stable-release-2011.12-available… For detailed information about the changes between 2011.05 and 2011.12 have a look at the official release announcement: http://bit.ly/sgpIz5 This release brings a downsizing and cleanup: one flavour, two architectures three options. The new, smaller flavour has a 350MB ISO size target, while still delivering over 1.1GB of open source software relevant for system administrators As a special treat we created grml96, an ISO image containg both grml32 and grml64. This ISO image will also boot on UEFI systems and lets you fix basically all PCs :) Download Grml 2011.12 directly from http://bit.ly/rKYb4K ! Please get in touch with us and share your opinion about Grml and spread the word. Thanks for testing the RC1, happy holidays and enjoy the new Grml 2011.12. Ulrich

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sound appears to be muted
by John G. Heim 20 Dez '11

20 Dez '11

I can't get any sound out of my PC when booted into grml latest release candidate. I scp'ed a sound file (my dog barking) to the machine and used aplay to play it. But I didn't hear anything. Sound works when booted into linux off the hard disk. grml@grml ~ % aplay rufus.wav Playing WAVE 'rufus.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono I also tried loading the speakup_soft module and running espeak. No error messages appear. Nothing abnormal in the syslog either. That's why I think sound is muted. What I really need is a command for unmuting a sound card. I don't know how to do that at the command line. I guess that's technically a linux question, not a grml question.

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Re: [Grml] ssh server with grml_2011.12-rc1
by John Heim 18 Dez '11

18 Dez '11

From: "Ulrich Dangel" <mru(a)grml.org> To: <grml(a)ml.grml.org> > > It seems that this is the correct commandline. I just tested it and it > works for me. Is there maybe a firewall in between? Otherwise can you > test if there is a sshd running on the machine with pidof sshd? You can > also try to access the ssh daemon from the machine itself with: > > ssh grml(a)grml.local > > which should ask for the password of the host. > I got it to work. Part of the problem was that I forgot abut having to press tab before typing in the cheat code. But another thing I was doing wrong is being too quick to try to log in. The ssh daemon doesn't start until about 5 seconds after the tone. Even after I was entering the cheat code correctly, I ran both an ssh command and an nmap before the daemon started. I actually verified this... I can type 'ssh hostname', listen to it say "connection refused", and run nmap all in the time between the tone and when the daemon starts. Welll, I'm currently testing on an old Dell 280. So that might be part of the problem too.

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boot option "lang"
by Philippe Delavalade 17 Dez '11

17 Dez '11

Hi. With the grml64_2011.12-rc1, I entered lang=fr-iso at boot propt. But the kbd_mode command told me that I was in utf8. I verified in /proc/cmdline that my option was correct and it was the case. Beside this, I continue to think that a beep at the moment of the boot prompt and the possibility to have a boot option invoking brltty is the more accessible for blind people. Sorry to insist on thiis point. Regards -- Ph. Delavalade

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serial console with grml_2011.12-rc1
by John Heim 16 Dez '11

16 Dez '11

I can't get a serial console with grml_2011.12-rc1. I think (can't be sure because I'm blind) I am typing this: grml serial console=ttyS0,19200n8 If I boot my machine into linux off the hard drive, I get my serial console. So I know there is nothing wrong with my null modem cable or my terminal emulator. But with grml, I do not get a prompt of any type. From the terminal side, it looks like there's no getty on the other side.

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Grml 2011.12 Release Candidate 1 available
by Christian Hofstaedtler 15 Dez '11

15 Dez '11

Grml Users! We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the upcoming version 2011.12, code-named "Knecht Rootrecht"! For detailed information about the changes between 2011.05 and 2011.12 have a look at the official release announcement: http://bit.ly/vMHbqR This release brings a downsizing and cleanup: one flavour, two architectures. The new, smaller flavour has a 350MB ISO size target, while still delivering over 1.1GB of open source software relevant for system administrators! Give it a try: download grml 2011.12-rc from http://bit.ly/sESUaa now! Please test the ISOs and everything you usually use and report back, so we can complete the stable release soon. If no major problems come up, the next iteration will be the stable release, which is scheduled for end of December. Thank you for your attention, -ch on behalf of the Grml Team. -- Grml Live Linux

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Re: [Grml] Accessibility in the grml 2011.12
by Philippe Delavalade 13 Dez '11

13 Dez '11

Le mardi 13 décembre à 18:31, John G. Heim a écrit : > From: "Philippe Delavalade" <philippe.delavalade(a)sfr.fr> > To: <grml(a)ml.grml.org> > >So, accessibility is disabled :-( That's what I feared and the 4 tones are > >of no interest... > > Well, I wouldn't go that far. When you hear the tones, press q, and > type in the command to load the accessibility tool of your choice. > For example, if you have a doubletalk, you'd type "modprobe > speakup_ltlk". Maybe, but my interest is for braille with brltty ; earlier, there was a boot option invoking brltty ; it was not easy to deal with because it was not easy to know when it was time to enter the option and keyboard was an qwerty one. Nevertheless, I could customize with grml2iso and a help from this list. Now, I have to wait for the tones, press 'q' and invoke brltty ; but I'm stil in qwerty :-( I can say I want french with the lang boot option but it's not so easy to know when I have to enter the boot option. I feel the best way should be to have a beep when it's time to enter boot options ; then it should be possible to enter the option brltty=,,, the blind option and the lang. I was pleased with the previous release (2011.05) customized ; I fear customizing the next release will be more difficult. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope so. > > It occurs to me that it is kind of inaccurate to say that the > accessibility tools have been removed. The speakup modules are now > part of a regular kernel. They haven't been removed. So you should > be able to load them at the boot prompt via the normal process for > loading kernel modules. I have never actually tried this myself and > I haven't had time to try the latest grml release yet either. But > I'll do that ASAP and report back. If you want to try it yourself, > here is a link to documentation on the kernel.org web site on how to > load kernel modules: > > http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt > I'll have a look to it but for me, braille is much more important than speech. > Assuming that works, grml is more accessible than ever. At the very > least, you should be able to load the speakup modules after boot. As I know, speakup don't speak french :-( Thanks ; I'm going to try another time. -- Ph. Delavalade

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