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Accessibility works fine for me
by Michael Whapples 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, Just a quick note that for what I could test of the medium64 daily build accessibility seemed to work. Here is what I tested: * Let the ISO boot normally on a MacBookPro. * I got nothing to indicate that the CD had finished booting (don't know if that is what should happen currently). I just listened for when the CD activity seemed to stop. * I then tried to start brltty with no options and it started fine detecting my Braille display. * Then I checked sound levels. Everything except master seemed to be muted. As there was one channel labelled front speakers I decided to raise this volume first. Not sure if that is needed but if it is for sound output then may be that needs to be changed so that I will not need to raise that level. * I loaded the speakup_soft module which worked fine. * Started espeakup which also started fine. Things I could not test: * I could not test hardware speech output as my apollo synthesiser requires a serial port and the MacBookPro has no serial port. The MacBookPro is the only 64-bit computer I have. The main issues which come out of this is, some way of knowing the CD is booted (may be a sequence of beeps) and possibly the sound not being properly unmuted (which possibly is a hardware specific issue and may be harder to fix for "everyone"). Michael Whapples

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Accessibility: espeakup and ALSA
by Michael Whapples 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, I seem to have a memory of a message saying that ALSA sound support in the medium ISO is being considered for removal, although I cannot find the message. Now as accessibility is being put in the medium ISO, the problem is that espeakup and espeak rely on working sound support to be of any use (as mentioned in the festival TTS documentation sound output is desirable, although having no sound card does mean less defects will be heard). I just thought I would bring this point to the attention of the developers, as there is no point in including espeakup and espeak unless sound support is there. Michael Whapples

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Accessibility versus Packages
by Konrad Schrempf 05 Nov '11

05 Nov '11

Hi, even if I don't need the discussed accessibility-packages, they seem to me much more important than other packages. As an example I remind on the discussion about TeX/LaTeX some time ago. Unless almost all of the packages are provided it is necessary to install some more. So it is the same to install all of them later. For me the main point is to have that kind of running system to be able to extend it later. I like GRML very much for all the nice programs in textmode. Sometimes I use X11, with a lot of xterms running ... Is it really necessary to provide a graphical VIM? The use of the *-register should also be possible (as a compile-option) in standard VIM. For cease-fire reasons you would have to remove the graphical Emacs too ;-) What's about packages like cowsay? I find it funny but I could live without. GRML could still recommend some of these programs by providing a list with interesting examples. Regards, Konrad

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Re: [Grml] Please don't take out accessibility away, I'll manage it
by John G. Heim 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

Doh! 64 bit image, 32 bit machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Grml] Please don't take out accessibility away, I'll manage it > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> > To: <grml(a)ml.grml.org> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Grml] Please don't take out accessibility away, I'll manage > it > > >> That daily build image doesn't boot on a OptiPlex GX280. I get the >> syslinux screen but after that, it hangs. Automatic boot in 4 seconds, >> 3, 2, 1, ... Nothing. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christian Hofstaedtler" <ch(a)grml.org> >> To: <grml(a)ml.grml.org> >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Grml] Please don't take out accessibility away, I'll manage >> it >> >> >>>* Michael Gissing <m.gissing(a)tugraz.at> [111104 16:54]: >>>> On 2011-11-04 08:02, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: >>>> >http://jenkins.grml.org/job/grml-medium-amd64/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/… >>>> >>>> HTTP 404? Does this link work for anybody? >>> >>> Apparently gone already. >>> >>> The daily grml64 medium ISOs should now also have espeakup: >>> http://daily.grml.org/grml64-medium_sid_latest.iso >>> >>> -ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org >>> http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml >>> join #grml on irc.freenode.org >>> grml-devel-blog: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org >> http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml >> join #grml on irc.freenode.org >> grml-devel-blog: >> > >

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Please don't take out accessibility away, I'll manage it
by Doug Smith 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

Hi, all the people here on the grml mailing list. Please don't take away accessibility, I'll manage it. You will have to give me step-by-exact step instructioons for how you got it to work that way and I will do it. I can learn, if you will some how show me how to do it. I have a 64 bit machine, so I probably will be best to do the 64-bit version. I just want a system that is all command line and handles current web technologies as well or better than the gnome-orca-firefox combination if possible. Is it possible to rewrite all those graphical applications so that they will work in command line? Can this process be automated? On the other hand, how hard would it be to build a NSA-like system that captures all the contents of the internet and redistributes it in a non-graphical form? Can't the blind community just build or get hold of some kind of supercomputer and then use artificial intelligence to rework all the internet sites into a non-graphical format and then set up a network provider that can be accessed by command-line only users to get the same content everyone else does? That is a research project for the future. If anyone has that kind of computing power available, please direct me to it. If no one wants to do this, theen, can you direct me to a way of getting command line accessibility on the command line in a 64-bit bersion? Please don't take accessibility out of grml. If you will show me just exactly what to do to get it to work and then build an iso, I can manage it. Sincerely: Doug Smith

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How are blind grml users handling current web technologies?
by Doug Smith 03 Nov '11

03 Nov '11

, everyone on the list. I am writing this to see how blind grml users are handling current web technologies such as flash and javascript. I am wishing to change back to GRML which I haven't been able to use in years. The main reason is that the gui world is going to change and there have been problems with accessibility. This doesn't, of course happen with good old command line, of course, and I just wonder if some of the blind people using grml now can tell me about their work-aroundds for such problems as flash and javascript. Is it possible to have mplayer be the viewer for all these streaming file formats and get it to work with w3m or edbrowse or whatever: Please let me know if there is something you are doing to handle current web technologies in command line mode and i will be glad to hear from you. Sincerely: Doug Smith _______________________________________________ Grml mailing list - Grml(a)ml.grml.org http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml join #grml on irc.freenode.org grml-devel-blog:

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iscsitarget and iscsitarget-module-... in grml 2011.05
by Urs Blaser 03 Nov '11

03 Nov '11

Hello everyone After still using 2010.12 for a long time, i switched my troubleshooting usb-stick to 2011.05 and tried to export a local drive via iscsi. Sadly this didn't worked out of the box because the kernel module was missing. I checked the packages and found that iscsitarget-module-`uname -r` wasn't installed... After installing this, there was a module version mismatch which required a upgrade of iscsitarget. The module version mismatch is supposedly due to the fact that the packages evolved since the release. But why didn't the kernel module made it into the release when it's needed by iscsitarget that's shipped - and that http://grml.org/kernel/ advertises this module. What did i miss in the whole process? And how do i best prepare for the next use of iscsitarget from the liveCD? Best regards and thanks for all the good work. Ursus

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Re: [Grml] Just a test
by Alexander Wirt 02 Nov '11

02 Nov '11

Alexander Wirt schrieb am Wednesday, den 02. November 2011: > Heho, > > this is just a test. > > Thanks for your attention And another, hope this is the last. Sorry Alex

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"Grml packages in Debian"
by Lupe Christoph 12 Okt '11

12 Okt '11

Hi! My RSS feed just alerted me to the article "Grml packages in Debian" on the developer blog. http://blog.grml.org/archives/358-Grml-packages-in-Debian.html I would like to point out that removing the packages from grml-testing leaves many people out of updates for a long time (until the packages have arrived in Debian Stable and some Ubuntu release). Plus, the grml2usb page http://grml.org/grml2usb/ still points to grml-testing. Please put the packages back into grml-testing and find a way to avoid a clash with Debian and Ubuntu repositories. Thank you, Lupe Christoph -- | It is a well-known fact in any organisation that, if you want a job | | done, you should give it to someone who is already very busy. | | Terry Pratchett, "Unseen Academicals" |

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Using grub2-dev in grml2usb suggestion for me.
by Charles Hewson 06 Okt '11

06 Okt '11

Hi, I work off two USB's when on the road. First is created with grml2usb on 2011.05 and a GRMLCFG partition for persistence. Second is created with grml-crypto for for /home/someuser and /etc/vault. I was about to re-script what I do manually at boot when I discovered grub2 development tree now has a luks.mod (testing needed & i'm willing). I have built it from src and installed into grml-chroot on a squeeze host. I expect to use grml-live per remastering instructions and then grml2usb. GOAL; Phase 1 usb layout; 1 Meg unencrypted boot/decrypt area remainder fat16 encrypted /boot. grml & grml64. Phase 2 Unencrypted boot/decrypt area Remanider lvm2/luks encrypted (for single passphrase at boot) grml2usb partition with several flavors GRMLCFG partition home-rw live-rw home-sn (live-snapshots) live-sn. I plan to contribute it back as either a --luks option on grml2usb or seporate script. Have I missed any issues in reasearch you are aware of ? Is this approach logical ? Any pointers on how to proceede from chroot to usb ? I'm open to any suggestions and could post bata of process as it would need to be tested on more hardware than I have available. Thanks for your input, Charles

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