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Re: [Grml] How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?]
by Maurice McCarthy 04 Jan '09

04 Jan '09

Janusz wrote: Thank You for ammazing cheatcodes. I Am having troubles. i can not boot, probably it is because my EXT2 partition with Grlinux installation is number like partition 5, it is because i had to create logical partition and inside this i had to create EXT2 partition. I checked, if EXT2 file system is readable by using other Linux distros, and yes, there are normal folders and files. MM: That's right Janusz. The first logical partition is /dev/sda5 by convention. Ntldrl will probably not able to boot bootsect.sda3 file, there are two errors. Firstly, computer halts and when i Am pressing keys, internal sound speakers beeps, so keyboard buffer is full, it is a known signal, that computer halted. And when i replaced c:\ by \bootsect.dat, computer halts and when i press enter, it starts to reboot. My bootsect.sda is having size 4,5 KB, and there are machine instructions, so i think, that i copied right boot data file to NTFS. MM: This is difficult without being able to see the errors. I'll have a think about it. Grub can not boot to Grml, and while i using live Cd and mounting SDA\5, there are files, apt-get is working, but i can not log as my user name specified during grml2hd installation process. And it is probably inpossible to boot from live CD, mounting SDA5 device and then triing to install somethink. MM: I don't understand why you cannot log in as a normal user. There is a file in /etc/grml/ where the configuration is stored for using grml2hd in a non-interactive way. This file can be edited in at your leisure and then grml2hd can be done something like this (except I'm not sure about the exact capitalised words): # GRML2HD-NONINTERACTIVE grml2hd partition=/dev/sdsa5 mbr=/dev/sda5 filesystem=ext3 user=janusz MM: This ought to install OK - but I've said that before. No,It's seems to me, that i will have to delete my logical and extended partition and resize my primari NTFS partition to original size and i will have to give it up. I have done my best. Grml2hd script is little confusing, it gaves me several questions and unfortunately, asked me twice, where to install boot loader and for my user name and password. Eventhough i answerred for those question for twice time with a same answer, somethink probably gone wronk. That i can not switch users. MM: I'm wondering if swspeak can only have a single user. I'll investigate and ask the developers if I cannot find out. You have tried very hard and it seems that there might be some possible improvement in clarity for blind users in the grml2hd script. Best Wishes Moss

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[Fwd: Re: How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?]
by Maurice McCarthy 03 Jan '09

03 Jan '09

Dear Janusz, Yes from the LiveCD if you do hd it will boot from the hard disk. Similarly hd1 or hd2 if you have two hard disks. I am glad it worked out OK in the end. I attach a file with all of the booting options. Don't know why they call it cheat codes since it is not cheating. If you can negotiate your way around it is possible to boot sda2 from the cd using grub. I'll will try to work out the recipe for you to try. you have to get to a grub commandline (so a grub boot floppy would do it) and then do grub>configfile (hd0,1)/boot/menu.lst (hd0,1) is grub talk for sda2. This will bring up the grub menu and you just press enter to boot grml. There is a good method to make a copy of your XP partition with ntfsclone. You need a back up medium such as a usb hard drive to save the disk image on. It compresses all empty space. It is better than partimage but you still need to back up the mbr separately with a dd command. Thank you Moss PS Try moving the timeout command to the top of boot.ini You should then have 30 seconds to see the choice of what to boot grml or XP. Perhaps it needs to be longer. ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [Grml] How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive? From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" <chmiel(a)phil.muni.cz> Date: Sat, January 3, 2009 5:40 pm To: "Maurice McCarthy" <moss(a)mythic-beasts.com> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear syr, Do not be sad, i have installed GRML successfully, but unfortunately, ntldr can not boot to this system. I was not able to use the parameters for using parted to create logical partition, i had to create extended partition first, then to create ext2 file system inside this partition, inside logical partition. Copy process during installation has no problems, everythink is stored on Ext2 file system, but because i did not want to corrupt my Windows XP installation, i installed lilo to SDA2. I will try to use external boot manager to try to boot to The grml. But i will probably had to use other linux kernel from Cd to mount Ext2 partition and i will try to use system from this kernel, but it is not probably good idea. Please, has GRML official live Cd option to boot from hard disk? I do not have problems with sound cart, i can type grml swspeak, but only from live CD. My sound cart has been automatically detected. So thank You for Your help. Yours instructions have been very nice tutorial for me, i was able to successfully create partition for GRML and i was also able to copy bootsect.sda3. So i will try to find out, if Ext2 partition is containing readable installation or if i only created non functional havoc. Windows XP is intouched and can be normally used without crashes. So thank You again for Your detailed instructions about parted.

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Re: [Grml] How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?
by Maurice McCarthy 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Janusz Sorry, I did not read your email too well. I think I am tired. Do you managed to format the whole hard drive to ext3. grml also has rescue tools for such a case, though you will have lost data. If there is something precious to you lost then look at the documentation for ddr-help, ddrescue, gddrescue and testdisk. Sorry not to be of more help just now. Testdisk can see lost partitions are try to restore them. It can read the files on lost partions if they are not too badly damaged. I do not have a lot of experience with these tools. Moss

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Re: [Grml] How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?
by Maurice McCarthy 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

> So if script GRML2hd will ask me, i can press g letter to install Group. > If > i can be openheart to You, Grml2hd script is good, but if ok and cancel > choices are awailable and user do not know, when press which letter, g for > group, or other letter for lilo, it is confusing, atleast for me. > It will be letter l for lilo, I think Moss

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documentation
by Josh 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Hi, Could someone upload the grml documentation to sendspace? www.sendspace.com ? it's fine if it's in a .tar file I can unzip those on windows using izarc. Josh email: jkenn337(a)gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku(a)hotmail.com

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Re: [Grml] How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?
by Maurice McCarthy 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Janusz Thank you for the complement but I'm not really an expert. I've just made all the same mistakes that you make! Don't worry. Windows is blessedly stupid. ntldr will boot anything you tell it to. Put in your grml CD and boot it as normal or just type failsafe as it will be faster. Then mount the Windows partition like this: # ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 Now we copy the boot sector of the grml partition to the root directory of the Windows partition. Make sure the typing is correct when you do # dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/mnt/sda1/bootsect.sda3 bs=512 count=1 Use your text editor to add the next 2 lines to the bottom of boot.ini C:\bootsect.sda3="grml" timeout=30 Then reboot into Windows: # shutdown -r now ntldr should now give you a choice of booting windows or grml. Hope this works for you Please let us know Moss Janusz wrote: > So if script GRML2hd will ask me, i can press g letter to install Group. > If > i can be openheart to You, Grml2hd script is good, but if ok and cancel > choices are awailable and user do not know, when press which letter, g for > group, or other letter for lilo, it is confusing, atleast for me. > > I have made big error yesterday, that i did not wait for Your professional > advice, i used parted to create EXT3 partition, GRML2hd even formatted > even > it for me, but i have made error while pressing key for choosing, where to > install boot loader, so i had EXT3 filesystem with all files, but i had no > chance to boot. Do You think, that it could be made some modiffication to > boot.ini, so ntldr module could load The kernel from EXT3 partition? > Ubuntu > can be loaded, but i Am aware, that The module, which ntldr is calling is > different from the kernel. So my idea is to really make floppy drive and I > would like to boot from EXT3 partition. I could even use Opensuse live CD > and GUI oriented partition editor for creating unallocated space, then to > format it in GRML, and install to this partition by using Grml2HD script. > You gave me detailed instructions for resizing partition in GRML, i > unfortunately started to experiment myself yesterday, i used parted and > parted asked me, for start and end of partition, i did not know, which > number to press, i typed first number 1 second above 52000, so i created > partition in lenght above 52 GB, it was not A problem, because i > accidentally corrupted NTFS partition by using gparted while trying to > create partition in extended partition and i created one big unallocated > space on my harddrive so my data has been gone forever. FOrtunately, i > have > made backups of my data. > > So I will install group on A floppy and i will try to edit configuration > file in this floppy to boot GRML without corrupting Windows XP. > > Thank You again for Your support and the fact, that i wanted to experiment > myself caused loss of data and i made havoc on my harddrive. But EXT3 > partition really contained The GRML installation without problems at The > end. > > The kindness regards. > > Janusz Chmiel > >

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How to install GRML to one harddrive with Windows XP installed on this harddrive?
by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

Dear users and developers, I downloaded The latest stable release of GRML, and i Am very satisfied with this distro so i would like to use it on my harddrive. But I Am having problems. I have one IDE harddrive with capacity 55,6 GB, with one NTFS partition in size 21,4 GB. In The rest of my harddrive, i created extended partition, but no EXT3 or other, i only created extended partition, no formatting it. When I Am running GRML2hd script, The script is giving me information, that there is partition and free space above 34 GB. No NTFS word is occurring in this information. So: Will GRMLhd2 format this extended partition automatically without destroiing my NTFS existing one? Or i have done a mistake, that i created extended partition? If so, i can remove this extended partition, but please, what i could do to install GRML to A hard disk with Windows Xp on it? Grml2hd script is also giving me question, where to install boot manager. If to MBR or to other place. How to confirm The right choice by keyboard press, i AM visually impaired user. Thank You for Your information. I do not like Windows Xp installations and removing wrongly created operating systems installation by using partition managers. So i would like to perform installation of GRML by right way. Thank You for Your help. With kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel

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grml work
by Josh 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

hi, i'll use grml as soon as i learn how to use it. I'm glad I'm going back to the colorado center for the blind so I can learn computer braille and write down notes and stuff. Josh email: jkenn337(a)gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku(a)hotmail.com

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grml 1.1 works!
by Josh 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

Hi, I found a linux distribution that works! it's an older one with software speech. it's grml 1.1. and it works good. So, vibuntu may not work on this machine, but oralux and grml 1.1 work fine. ok, so now I have a question. can someone tell me, keeping in mind that I have never used linux before in my whole entire life, I am a complete newby to grml and commandline linux. But if I am going to be a network administrator I will need to learn some kind of Linux distribution, what matters is that it has a Linux kernel which of course, grml has it because it's Linux... so, can someone give me an introduction to it? my wife's machine has a virus in it called c:\windows\system32\drmclienp.dll . pay attention to spelling. so I want to delete this file and therefore get rid of the virus. but windows will not let me access the file. so how do I do this using grml linux 1.1? Also, will voxin work with grml linux? And also, can someone tell me how to partition my hard drive and install grml Linux1.1 alongside Windows xp? grml1.1 uses ESpeak for speech. Josh email: jkenn337(a)gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku(a)hotmail.com

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www.linux.com is great for grml stuff
by Josh 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

Hi, Well I am now sold! from now on I will use grml and oralux as my operating systems. oralux is outdated but makes a great audio desktop. grml well? as the article says, "it just works!" oh and I learned that I can also install gnome with orca on grml if I want a desktop. and I imagine IBM tts as well. If I could somehow get to that documentation set up my wireless in grml1.1 and use voxin with it that would be great! Josh email: jkenn337(a)gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku(a)hotmail.com

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