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permission denied on copy
by wahmd 22 Dez '06

22 Dez '06

Greetings... Why was "permission denied" when root uses Rox-filer to try to copy file from pendrive to another folder (when permissions seem to be set as owner read and write)? Thanks. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2007. wahmd

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More sites linking to grml
by T 22 Dez '06

22 Dez '06

Hi, Just FYI, more and more sites are linking to grml now. Last month, there was an article in Debian Administration linking back to grml: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/464 Recently, there is also an wiki entry at wikia.com linking back to grml: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Making_a_DVD_with_text_menus I heard for Google search engine, the more sites link to a certain site, the more important Google will think the site is, and the more likely search results will come near the top... PS. Timo Boettcher, I need your permission to use your picture to promote grml. thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/

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A question about GRML2hd, how many options can it accept at once?
by keithint38＠commspeed.net 21 Dez '06

21 Dez '06

Hi all, How many options is grml2hd capable of handeling at one time, Mika? I.e. Suppose I wish to disable the remove-packages-server script from running, and at the exact same time tell it to run the isntaller and install in automatic mode. So: Suppose I've set the boot_partition in /etc/grml2hd/config as /dev/hda, and the main root as /dev/hda2. Now: If I wanted to: Could I just type the following into grml2hd? NOSWREMOVAL=1 GRML2HD_NONINTERACTIVE=1 into the prompt and hit return and have it work? Or, does GRML2hd not accept that type of command structure. Mika: I have read the manual page from http://www.GRML.org/GRML2hd plentty of times, and do know the commands. I'm asking more about if grml2hd can accept multiple options at once before running it. Take a look at my example, and just let me know if that would work. What I am attempting to do, is have an automatic installation of GRML Linux, and still have all packages, all without one being removed. I have plentty of space on my disk to hold all of them, without a problem--it's 300 GB or so. That's plentty of space for what I would like to do. BTW..Marry Christmas to the grml mailing list! I'll be back tomorrow, so look forward to seeing you folks. Take care, --Keith

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Framebuffer mode setting
by Mark 21 Dez '06

21 Dez '06

We're not clear how mode selection works for framebuffer. The file /etc/fb.modes lists many modes. We want 1280x1024-60. The choice matches a vendor 'preferred timing mode' for optimal monitor performance. We run this mode in X fine. The problem is framebuffer. We do not get how to ask grml for 1280x1024-60. No fbset commands or lilo configs seem to do it. We get, instead, 1280x1024-77 or some other unexpected v-refresh, not even listed in fb.modes. We tried a 'special name' for mode 1280x1024-60 to work with lilo commands and it also failed. (Actually we made a duplicate mode with a different name in fb.modes.) The grml 0.9 live CD also does something weird. We boot 'grml fb1280x1024' but end up with lower resolution framebuffer, 1024x768. It seems that grml cheatcodes do not allow arbitrary selection from fb.modes, but only 3. We cannot rely on automatic mode selection. We need to state the modes we want. We use KVMs quite a bit, which ruin DDC queries to monitor firmware, and also we run LCDs on analog video, not digital. This combination works fine in the right driving mode. Thanks, Mark

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Supplying multiple commands to GRML2hd
by keithint38＠commspeed.net 20 Dez '06

20 Dez '06

Hi all, Is it possible to configure an automatic installation of GRML through editing /etc/grml2hd/grml2hd.conf, or whatever, and ten to say: grml2hd NOSWREMOVAL=1 grml2hd NON_INTERACTIVE=1? Or do I type something else. Also, Could I review an example configuration file for an automatic grml2hd installation somewhere to get an idea of what one looks like? I am not currently at an GRML system, and am using the school computers here to type this message. If I could look at one just to get an idea, that would help. :) Regards, --Keith

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sarge + kernel 2.6.18-grml loads only few modules
by Erich Minderlein 20 Dez '06

20 Dez '06

Hi after having successfully installed kernel 2.6.18-grml and a sarge base configuration via the grml-skript I have stopped working on this notebook. Now I take up on this again : It loads only few modules, so no network, no periphery: just the 6 shells and the ipv6 module is loaded. /sys/module is rather empty : about 15 modules are listed , for HDD, CDROM and video, while at the funkentzutzler there are 74 modules listed. the line "populating /dev" does not show up in dmesg when doing the boot. It seems that some skripts must be added to my installation to get the kernel scan its periphery. a shortened diff ps(grml0.8,left) ps(kernel2.6.18-grml+sarge,right) is added: PID TTY STAT COMMAND PID TTY STAT COMMAND 1 ? Ss init [2] | 1 ? Ss init [2] 2 ? S [migration/0] 2 ? S [migration/0] 3 ? SN [ksoftirqd/0] 3 ? SN [ksoftirqd/0] 4 ? S [watchdog/0] 4 ? S [watchdog/0] 5 ? S< [events/0] 5 ? S< [events/0] 6 ? S< [khelper] 6 ? S< [khelper] 7 ? S< [kthread] 7 ? S< [kthread] 9 ? S< [kblockd/0] | 10 ? S< [kblockd/0] 10 ? S< [kacpid] | 11 ? S< [kacpid] 94 ? S< [kseriod] | 96 ? S< [cqueue/0] 148 ? S [pdflush] | 97 ? S< [kseriod] 149 ? S [pdflush] | 157 ? S [pdflush] 150 ? S [kswapd0] | 158 ? S [pdflush] 151 ? S< [aio/0] | 159 ? S< [kswapd0] 152 ? S< [jfsIO] | 160 ? S< [aio/0] 153 ? S< [jfsCommit] | 161 ? S< [jfsIO] 154 ? S< [jfsSync] | 162 ? S< [jfsCommit] 155 ? S< [xfslogd/0] | 163 ? S< [jfsSync] 156 ? S< [xfsdatad/0] | 164 ? S< [xfslogd/0] 745 ? S< [cqueue/0] | 165 ? S< [xfsdatad/0] 757 ? S< [kpsmoused] | 294 ? S< [kpsmoused] 832 ? S< [ata/0] | 384 ? S< [ata/0] 841 ? S< [scsi_eh_0] | 385 ? S< [ata_aux] 842 ? S< [scsi_eh_1] | 394 ? S< [scsi_eh_0] 868 ? S< [kcryptd/0] | 395 ? S< [scsi_eh_1] 869 ? S< [kmirrord] | 416 ? S< [kcryptd/0] 943 ? S< [khubd] | 417 ? S< [kmirrord] 989 ? S< [scsi_eh_2] | 423 ? S< [kjournald] 990 ? S< [usb-storage] | 807 ? Ss /sbin/syslogd 1944 ? S< [loop0] | 810 ? Ss /sbin/klogd 2215 ? S<s udevd --daemon | 842 ? Ss /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m 3837 ? S [khpsbpkt] | 848 ? Ss /usr/sbin/inetd 3934 ? S [pccardd] | 855 ? Ss /usr/sbin/sshd 3935 ? S [knodemgrd_0] | 868 ? Ss /sbin/mdadm -F -i /var/run/mdadm.p 3993 ? S< [shpchpd] | 871 ? Ss /usr/sbin/atd 4017 ? S< [kgameportd] | 874 ? Ss /usr/sbin/cron 4504 ? Ss /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/event | 882 tty1 Ss -bash 4625 ? SNs pump -i eth0 | 885 tty2 Ss+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty2 4680 ? SNs /sbin/syslog-ng -p /var/run/syslog | 886 tty3 Ss+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 4695 ? SNs /usr/sbin/powernowd -q | 887 tty4 Ss+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty4 4719 ? SNs /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/psaux -t aut | 888 tty5 Ss+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty5 4759 tty1 Ss /bin/zsh -l | 889 tty6 Ss+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty6 4760 tty2 Ss+ /bin/dash /usr/bin/grml-init-scree | 910 tty1 R+ ps ax 4761 tty3 Ss+ /bin/dash /usr/bin/grml-init-scree < 4762 tty4 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh < 4763 tty5 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh < 4766 tty6 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh < 4767 tty9 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty9 < 4768 tty10 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh --login -c /usr/bin/iptst < 4771 tty11 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh --login -c /usr/bin/htop < 4774 tty12 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/zsh --login -c /usr/bin/multi < 4822 tty10 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/iptstate < 4824 tty11 S+ 0:33 /usr/bin/htop < 4825 tty12 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/multitail /var/log/syslog < 4834 tty12 S 0:00 tail -48lf /var/log/syslog < 4841 tty2 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/screen -c /etc/grml/scree < 4845 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/SCREEN -c /etc/grml/scree < 4848 tty3 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/screen -c /etc/grml/scree < 4849 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/SCREEN -c /etc/grml/scree < 4869 pts/0 Ss+ 0:00 zsh < 4873 pts/1 Ss+ 0:00 zsh < 5059 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald] < 5078 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald] < 5219 tty1 R+ 0:00 ps ax < >From the process numbers I see that a lot of transient processes did not happen on my install, and usb-storage, cqueued, loop0, udevd do not exist thereafter. best regards -- Erich Minderlein <erminderlein(a)locoware.de> MARC Mannheim Rail Commerce GmbH

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Lilo and the boot-prompt
by keithint38＠commspeed.net 20 Dez '06

20 Dez '06

Greetings friends, I am a Visually impaired user of GRML, and noticed that LILO brings up this boot-prompt thing, that isn't exactly that useful. I was wondering how to either perhaps get rid of the prompt, or at least how to set the timeout option to 0 so that LILO doesn't have a chance to display the prompt, and automatically boot up GRML without waiting for user-interaction? If that isn't possible, then I may switch to GRUB, eaven though I'd rather not. Regards, --Keith

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primitive lilo question
by Martin Yazdzik 19 Dez '06

19 Dez '06

Dear Friends at grml, google lilo information tends to be rather out of date, to say the least - since grml 0.9 works, well, just works, I need to make what was my experimental partition my main OS. /dev/sda1 = windows /dev/sda2 = swap /dev/sda3 = old grml /dev/sda4 = new grml currently, the laptop boots from the old grml, that is lilo is installed to the mbr, but goes to the root at old grml and uses the "other OS" to boot into the new grml. I wish to have the mbr point to the new grml, in other words, use the sda3 partition for either data, or one of my experiments. So, how can I re-isntall lilo to the mbr from the new grml without making a mess? Will lilo -v -v just work? And, yes, I apologise and know that this is not the right place for this question. Best, M

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discover and rtl8111 ethernet
by Markus Wigge 15 Dez '06

15 Dez '06

Hi, I compiled an r1000.ko module for my PXE bootenvironment and added it to the initrd image but I don't understand the discover tool yet, so I just added r1000 to the discovered result as dirty hack... Is there a possibility to discover the hardware automagically? /Markus

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grml-small PXE kernel
by Markus Wigge 15 Dez '06

15 Dez '06

Hi, I managed to add a section to linuxrc of the netboot 0.8 package which downloads the seconds stage via http, but after updating the files to the grml-small 0.3 kernel and modules I noticed it lacks unionfs support?! So can anyone give me a small hint how to compile a customized grml-small kernel I can use for PXE booting? BTW: My intention is to prevent setting up a NFS server in my network... bye, Markus

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hints about grml 0.9 on HD and ipw3945
by Lars Schimmer 14 Dez '06

14 Dez '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Today I installed grml 0.9 (two times) to HD with grm2hd. If I boot with the CD the autoconf detects eth0 (e1000) and eth1 (ipw3945) from my T60 laptop. After install on HD and reboot the system just recognize eth0. After rmmod ipw3945 /modprobe ipw3945 (and for some test another /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart) I get a eth1 but with a dhclient eth1 I can?t get a IP. While booting from the live CD I just need to wait a few sec and retry dhclient eth1 and the LED for the WLAN activity is enlighten and blinks. With boot from HD it is most time dark, just a part of second enlightent. Oh, I use grml-network with WPA supplicant options. Anyone has a idea? Is ipw3945 buggy? Yes, it is a clean install, an now the (hopeful) exact steps: boot from CD: boot with standard option grml-network (enter correct SSID, standard options, WPA, enter correct Key), wait, break fist dhclient wait some sec dhclient eth1 *ipw3945 is active, WLAN LED is active and I got net access* HD install: - -grml2hd - -chroot, install grub - -reboot - -apt-get update, apt-get upgrade (NO grml, kenrel oder ipw3945 update!) - -grml-network (same as with CD boot) - -reboot - - after boot no eth1 present - - rmmod ipw3945 - - modprobe ipw3945 - - ifconfig - no eth1 - - ifconfig eth1 - eth1 shows up with correct MAC ID, no IP - - dhclient eth1 - WLAN HD is dark, some flickering and NO IP.. MfG, Lars Schimmer - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFfIewmWhuE0qbFyMRAofEAKCGT6+xhpKhBiQwAafjFwHjtVAHNgCcD9IA Zpy8MVsm8fjbVLpiYZI4RA4= =d7ya -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Unlocking CD drive
by Michael Schierl 13 Dez '06

13 Dez '06

Hi, sometimes I booted grml, started a job there (like using dd to zero a partition) and then have to leave (but let it try continuing the zeroing). So I want to remove the CD (and risk a panic later when a file from it is accessed). But that is no problem since I do not run anything new after the CD is removed, so everything needed is already in cache. For these cases I have a perl script on my USB pendrive: #!/usr/bin/perl -w open(H, "</dev/cdrom") or die("Can't open: $!"); ioctl(H, 0x5329 , 0) or die("Can't ioctl: $!"); close(H) or die("Can't close: $!"); That one works well - if I have my pendrive with me. My question: Is there a way inside grml to do the same thing (without memorizing the whole script or the ioctl number)? Something in /proc or /sys? Or a script? (Using the hardware eject "hole" of the CD drive does not count, since it requires a paper clip ;-) ) TIA, Michael

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noob scripting question
by Martin Yazdzik 12 Dez '06

12 Dez '06

Dear Friends at grml, Please forgive a really dumb question, but I cannot seem to get fluxbox to run the gnome-settings-daemon automatically, yet prefer to use flux as my wm. On the other hand, I must have my own fonts in apps, particularly evolution as my lappy has a uxga screen, which renders, for all practical purposes, apps illegible. So, I thought a little script in .xinitrc would work to launch the daemon, but, since gdm seems to bypass the xinitrc, where should I stick a script, presuming I can write one? This is not to say that gdm does not suck, merely that I need to boot up at the push of one button.... ;) New York is under way too much time stress. Best, Martin

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Making an initrd.img for 2.6.18
by Tom White 09 Dez '06

09 Dez '06

I eventually got one to boot, but I suspect I'm missing something basic. mkinitrd couldn't find sd_mod: # mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.18-grml -r /dev/sdb3 2.6.18-grml /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. yaird worked for me going from 2.6.16 to 2.6.17, but now / isn't in fstab # yaird --output=initrd.img-2.6.18-grml 2.6.18-grml yaird error: mount point not in fstab: . (fatal) So I modified /etc/yaird/Default.cfg < MOUNTDIR "/" "/mnt" --- > MOUNTDIR "/mnt/sdb3" "/mnt" But yaird now didn't like /dev/usb-sdb3 in fstab # yaird --output=initrd.img-2.6.18-grml 2.6.18-grml yaird error: duplicate device name in fstab: /dev/sdb3 (fatal) So I commented it out # Added by GRML #/dev/usb-sdb3 /mnt/usb-sdb3 auto user,noauto,nodev,noatime,nosuid,noexec,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 And success # yaird --output=initrd.img-2.6.18-grml 2.6.18-grml -- -- Tom White

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boring
by Martin Yazdzik 08 Dez '06

08 Dez '06

Dear Mika and Friends, What a boring install! Everything worked otob on my dell laptop, and the tz config, which used to cause hair pulling was one simple command and voila. While I used the ati installer, which worked perfectly to get hardware accel, and ndiswrapper, because the bcm4306 driver still only allows "b" speeds, nothing took anytime at all. Now, here is the question from the idiot newbie: Since grml .9 installed easily and cleanly on /sda4, but, obviously, I could not risk the change in the production environment, can I more easily upgrade the existing grml .8 with all the data and config that I need to .9, without a lot of brimborium, or can I somehow install lilo to the mbr from the newly installed grml, and use the old partition for data or somthing, without making a mess that a novce cannot clean up? Is the apparent increased speed, by feel, not measured, due to newer kernel, better fglrx drivers, or what? Best wishes from a grateful user, Martin Chi troppo vuole nulla stringe

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grml0.9rc2: filterm does not work with less
by Martin Jerabek 08 Dez '06

08 Dez '06

Hi! When using a UTF-8 locale, grml0.9rc2 suggests during boot to use "filterm - dynafont" to enable UTF-8 output on the console. This works fine with several programs I tested (e.g. more, vim) but not with "less" (or "most"). This is annoying because it makes it impossible to view manpages since man uses less as its pager by default. When trying to view manpages in a UTF-8 locale without filterm, special characters such as "fancy" quotes are not displayed correctly, of course. The effect when using less with "filterm - dynafont" is that the console is switched back to its default grml font and less hangs. It has to be killed to be able to proceed. A simple test to show this behavior while LANG=en_US.UTF-8 is set: % filterm - dynafont % less ...Only ^C can stop less Instead of calling less directly, try to view any manpage: % filterm - dynafont % man find Reformatting find(1), please wait... ...stuck... I am sure this is a problem of filterm but since filterm seems to be the recommended way to do UTF-8 output in grml0.9, it is also grml's problem. Regards Martin Jerabek

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UTF-8 is default in Etch
by Mark 08 Dez '06

08 Dez '06

FYI - since grml tracks Debian very closely: UTF-8 encoding default for new systems The installer will set up systems to use UTF-8 encoding rather than the old language-specific encodings (like ISO-8859-1, EUC-JP or KIO-8). http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html (I know, mika & gang are working on it post-0.9, thanks, this is for everyone else) (p.s. Ubuntu already defaults to UTF-8)

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No pub keys for new grml repo?
by "Robert Zöhrer | pronet.at" 07 Dez '06

07 Dez '06

Hi, just changed sources to new repo, then updating package list from new repo -> aptitude / gpg warns that there's no public key for repo/package signatures :/ Anybody else with this issue? Robert btw: THX a lot to mika and rest grml team for this great work!

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sidux announced
by roland 07 Dez '06

07 Dez '06

linux distro #4234233, live-cd distro #31231 being announced! http://sidux.com/Article2.html *sigh* remember those microsoft ad with those penguin creatures (i.e. penguins with frog-heads, rabbit-ears....) ?

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grml 0.9 and grml-small 0.3 released
by Michael Prokop 07 Dez '06

07 Dez '06

Hi grml-users and developers, grml 0.9 with codename Dioptrienotto and grml-small 0.3 with codename Zwergenaufstand have been released and are hitting the mirrors. The official release announcements providing all the relevant news are available at: grml 0.9 => http://grml.org/files/README-0.9.php grml-small 0.3 => http://grml.org/files/README-0.3-small.php Issues regarding the release can be found in the grml-wiki at http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml_0.9 and http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml-small_0.3 As usual you can get the ISO(s) via bittorrent, http and/or ftp from the mirrors listed at http://grml.org/download/ Have fun and enjoy the new release! As usual feedback your is welcome. regards, -mika- -- http://grml.org/ # Linux for texttool-users and sysadmins http://wiki.grml.org/ # share your knowledge http://grml.supersized.org/ # the grml development weblog #grml @ irc.freenode.org # meet us on irc

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[OT] udev and number of devices
by T 06 Dez '06

06 Dez '06

Hi, Not a grml specific question, but trying to tap into the knowledge from people here: Can udev handle more than 15 devices? My HD used to have 15 partitions, now I created another one, the 16th, but it is not recognized by udev. I.e., there is no /dev/sda16. If I created it myself, like the following, $ ls -l /dev/sda1* brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 12-03 12:31 /dev/sda1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 10 12-03 17:31 /dev/sda10 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 11 12-03 17:31 /dev/sda11 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 12 12-03 12:31 /dev/sda12 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 13 12-03 17:31 /dev/sda13 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 14 12-03 17:31 /dev/sda14 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 15 12-03 17:31 /dev/sda15 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 12-03 18:08 /dev/sda16 I still can't use it to mount the partition: % mount /dev/sda16 /mnt/tmp1/ mount: /dev/sda16 is not a valid block device Anything I've been missing? thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/

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grml-small and X
by T 06 Dez '06

06 Dez '06

Hi, Anybody could share your experience putting X in grml-small? what are the minimum packages installed (to run wm like fluxbox)? what are the extra disk size put on? thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/

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grml-tips sarge success
by Erich Minderlein 03 Dez '06

03 Dez '06

Hallo I have done two different trials today: a) first I followed grml-tips sarge, but instead of doing base-config as written down on the CDROM, I switched to use the etch sequence. I have come as far as installing a kernel, but this fails on the creation of the mkinitrd. The /dev/sda3 which is needed is not accepted as a block device. b) The trial with grml-debootstrap runs very smooth after eliminating all input errors it installed a sarge first with a kernel of sarge, which does not boot, then I changed sources list and it installed 2.6.18-grml in chroot. Now lsmod shows only a module for ipv6 . nothing else. Fine tuning is now required: fstab, modules (installation in chroot needed) and usb devices. When I have the usb HDD available, I can copy back all /etc/* which were once prepared and still do fit. regards -- Erich Minderlein <erminderlein(a)locoware.de> MARC Mannheim Rail Commerce GmbH PS American Puritan search engines do not like strong four letter words, maybe you change my xXxXxX word to something more cryptic !! Thanks .

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grml-tips sarge
by Erich Minderlein 03 Dez '06

03 Dez '06

Hallo I noted now differences between grml-tips sarge and etch base-config does not show up in the install of etch. from mount ... /proc the proceeding is different and answers some questions about errors occuring in my installs. Probably something got mixed up some time ago. best regards -- Erich Minderlein <erminderlein(a)locoware.de> MARC Mannheim Rail Commerce GmbH

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grml-tips sarge
by Erich Minderlein 02 Dez '06

02 Dez '06

Hallo I am very confused again : I have followed the grml-tips sarge to a 100 %, but at the step base-config I type in at "configure apt sources" ftp.de.debian.org and then a download of testing "packages.gz" follows. But it should only download stable "packages.gz". also that I put my preferences and apt.conf in the /etc/apt/ stating that only stable or sarge is preference. I eliminated the testing and unstable sources from sources.list and preferences. when I key in /debian stable it asks for stable/testing which of course does not exist. Something in the base-config secretly adds "testing" to every user input. How come ???? The system is very stiff in first downloading libc6 from testing and then the whole sarge setup is fUcKeD uP.(the only right word. ) ( that breaks about 100 packages from the bases and consequently the system is unable to downgrade again. ) I have done that now about 6 times and the result does not change. best regards. -- Erich Minderlein <erminderlein(a)locoware.de> MARC Mannheim Rail Commerce GmbH

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