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How to obtain grml kernels, and other grml components
by Keith Hinton 21 Mär '09

21 Mär '09

Depending upon what components I want in the plain Debian system, how to I obtain these? I.e. If I want Grml's owrking kernel, what should I do to obtain that? And is it the Linux-source or Linux-image that I'd be looking for? Or would grml krenl just install, all symlinks taken care of, etc. What I love about grml's kernel, is I don't have to bother compiling it as all my favorite options like hibernate are already there, etc. And the hardware detection is super great. Otherwise, the question then would be: If I wanted screen, etc, that ships with grml, what suggestions would you folks suggest? I haven't used grml in so many years that now I find it hard to figure out what to do, plus the repos now use Git.:). Regards, --Keith

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GRMLCFG working on 2008.11?
by Johannes Kastl 16 Mär '09

16 Mär '09

Hello, I started the grml 2008.11 ISO image in a virtual machine (VirtualBox 2.1.12 on OSX 10.5), which had a 5 GB hard disk. I partitioned the hard disk, and labelled one partition GRMLCFG (obviously after formatting it ;-) ). After restarting I mounted the image, and used save-config -all to created a file called config.tbz on that partition. It seems to me that when booting something from that partition is copied (long list of files), but neither the language setting nor the network settings are restored. Is this normal? Should those settings be stored, or are they excluded? As far as I understood the docu the whole /etc should be saved. During saving the config, I get errors the first time I run save-config, saying that file xyz changed during reading. Disappears the second time you run save-config. Any hints? Tricks? Bugs? Regards, OJ P.S.: If this message appears twice, then posting via gmane *does* work... -- | Yes, I know. But there are even conjobs running as user games? Sometimes when cron is bored he starts playing games, didn't you know? ;-) (Aschwin Marsman and Robert Schiele on the opensuse-Mailinglist)

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Speech-Dispatcher and SMP (again)
by Keith Hinton 16 Mär '09

16 Mär '09

Hi, I have previously in the last year or so posted on this subject of Speech-Dispatcher and SMP. I had previously back when testing my friend Shaun's system thought that it was only to AMD Athlon X2 3800 plus dual-core processors. I found out, that I was wrong. About four weeks ago, I tested the latest stable GRML using the grml swspeak speechd boot option at the Isolinux boot prompt on my Intel laptop. My Fujitsu laptop is pretty new. Well, shortly there after, speech crashed, again. So, I did this: Speechd-up -v Grml uses Speechd-up 0.1, wich is extremely old and out-of-date. Even the last stable release contains severe bugs. The CVS builds contain latest bug fixes. In edition to this, I discovered that GRML was using an RC version (not stable!) version of Speech-Dispatcher! Why is this? The issues seem to be caused when using Espeak-generic, and speechd-up 0.1, and Speech-Dispatcher. whether it is Speech-Dispatcher itself though, or simply Speechd-up, I don't know. In any case, I strongly suggest the espeakup interface over the Speechd-up interface (to the point of you folks ripping it completely out) It is odd though, because I thought that at least Speech-Dispatcher would contain some improvements? They were fixing SMP bugs last time I checked. Although if it is an RC version, I am not surprised. Although it may very well be an old version of Speechd-up itself. I will perform another test, on March 20, when I have some time. This time, I'll attempt to execute an instance of the Speechd-up software by typing speechd-up again, to see if it is the Dispatcher process crashing. I will also find out if there are any speech-dispatcher log levels generated through output of log contents (if any). Because Speech-Dispatcher is an interface wich uses the TCP/IP protocol, and is a client/server model, if it was Speechd-up crashing, and not Speech-Dispatcher, then it will probably generate some form of client/module disconnection in the log files. I will report back hear with more test results. Regards, --Keith

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Questions for new grml2usb
by T o n g 15 Mär '09

15 Mär '09

Hi, 1st of all, congratulations on the freshly-written grml2usb! Now my most important question, does grml2usb wipe the existing content of the installation device? Further, - can grml2usb install to a partition instead of a device? - can grml2usb make active the installation partition? - can grml2usb make an existing active partition bootable? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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Kernel configuration PREEMPT
by Lars-Erik Helander 12 Mär '09

12 Mär '09

I have been using grml for a couple of days and I am very happy with it so far. The reason I started to use grml was that I discovered that the grml kernel was configured with the PREEMPT option. This makes it suitable for audio applications and even if the preempt characteristics you get with an RT-kernel is "better" the PREEMPT option of the vanilla kernel seems to be "good enough". With grml I get both a system that is easy to configure to me needs, boots off a USB stick and has a PREEMPT kernel :). I have looked at most distros out there and it is very rare to find ones that comes with a PREEMPT kernel as standard, so this makes me wonder why the grml team choosed to provide PREEMPT as a standard configuration. Anyone that knows this and wants to share why grml is using a PREEMPT kernel? Going forward, will the PREEMPT configuration option remain as standard in grml or might that just suddenly change? Kind Regards /Lars

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Adding packages
by Lars-Erik Helander 11 Mär '09

11 Mär '09

I am new to grml and I hope someone would be able to help me on this topic. I am running grml off a USB stick with a persistent home. I am using a number of packages not available in grml so I put these in a "debs" directory on the root of my live partition (showing up under /live/image/debs) and use the debs boot option. This works fine and all these packages gets installed when I boot. Problem 1: Adding another package to the "debs" directory Since the /live/image tree is mounted read-only I cannot add/remove any .deb files in the "debs" directory. What I do now is that I boot some other system than by USB booted grml system; mounts the USB stick and copy/remove files to/from the "debs" directory; boot from the USB stick. I would like to be able to do this without having to start some other system, but do this in the system booted from the USB stick. Is there a method that would allow me to do that. Problem 2: Avoid installation at boot The above method (putting .deb files in the "debs" directory) is very useful for finding out the packages you need to have. Once you know what packages you would need than you would be better off with a method that would not require you to install the packages on each boot, but that these packages came pre-installed. A natural way would be to either add these packages to the live system package set somehow. As I can see the live system consist of a squashfs file and a file that points out the name of this file. Is there a way to either extend the existing squashfs file or to add some additional squashfs (or other fs-type) file that will be mounted along the original squashfs file? Kind Regards /Lars

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packages with grml?
by Josh 11 Mär '09

11 Mär '09

Hi, I successfully got grml1.1 installed and working with a doubleTalk synthesizer. can you tell me what packages are installed and howw to set up networking? Also what text based word processors spreadsheets and audio editors internet browsers and email clients are there for grml? Josh

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One extra thing about obtaining kernel
by Keith Hinton 08 Mär '09

08 Mär '09

I forgot, In my last post I didn't mention: What I want to do is get the kernel installed without too much configuration or compilation in the plain Debian system. I also hope that I won't have to go configuring netowrks/interfaces manually, I'm not sure just how powerful grml-debootstrap is. What suggestions do you have? I'll probably just edit the configuration file, and get everything in place and then run whatever. Should I go with the linux-image, or linux-source deb files (what's easyer?) Whatever advice on this process specifically other than just editing grml-debootstrap's configuration file would be helpful. Installing a stable lenny would be good, so that I can receive Debain security patches, etc. I'd like to get a plain-debian installed, but have all of the accessibility of grml like Speakup, and other necesary things installed. Whatever I can do, I'd like to know. Installing a plain Debian system sounds fun! Can't wait. Regards, --Keith

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how to obtain working grml kernel packages
by Keith Hinton 08 Mär '09

08 Mär '09

Mika, Thanks for the messages on the digest of GRML. i have decided to use debootstrap to install a plain Debian system. You mentioned I could take a known to-work grml kernel. How would I do this for use in the plain Debian system? It would make things pretty easy then, because Speakup is already part of the kernel. You mentioned on iRC as well that you use Debian packages? I assume an aptitude update; aptitude install speakup; espeak; espeakup, etc? Thanks. Regards, --Keith

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Re: [Grml] Using VMware Workstation on GRML Linux
by Keith Hinton 08 Mär '09

08 Mär '09

> On 3/2/09 12:27 AM Keith Hinton wrote: > >> The problem is, how will I instruct it to boot the necessary VMware >> services on boot of GRML itself? > > You unpack the tar (to /opt/vmware), and then run vmware-install.pl, > which copies the files to the right places /usr/lib/vmware/, > /etc/vmware/, /etc/init.d/...). > > So basically I would say the procedure is the same as with any other > linux distribution. Okay, but is the vmware-install.pl script part of the origenal vmware.com workstation tarball hear? Or is this some Debian-specific package? > >> I also hope, that I will be able to simply do an grml-x gnome and have >> gnome launch directly and then run VMware workstation. > > Gnome should have any kind of autostart. You have to spesify a window manager to grml-x, correct prior to useing it? As in grml-x Gnome? Regards, --Keith > > Regards, > OJ > -- > The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day > they start making vacuum cleaners. LOL, that will be fun. I'm sure you'll be the first to get a microsoft cleaner.> > >> Regards, >> OJ

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daily.grml.org questions
by Keith Hinton 08 Mär '09

08 Mär '09

I have a question or so about the grml.org daily snapshots: I know that bugs can occur majorly, and all of that. But Has anyone thought of making full grml releases that are based off of Debian stable so that people can successfully run servers with grml if they choose, without being forced to install Debian?Just curious! Another question: Do the daily snapshots of GRML contain Speakup? Or, does only the GRML devel releases etc contain accessibility support? The daily grml page does not mention specifically if the visually impaired access is vailable in those builds. Regards, --Keith

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Using stable Debian brnaches for packages on GRML
by Keith Hinton 08 Mär '09

08 Mär '09

If you wish to use GRML as a hard disk system, what happens if you attempt to use stable Debian packages to avoid breaking things? Why Apache and stuff is included on a Debian-unstable system is beyond me. Especially because the software should not be included in the first place. People may get the idea that servers can be ran on grml! For a blind user that has discovered GRML, the user may go running programs/services never intended for use on GRML! What do you all think of this? I have read the Debian unstable FAQ, and the answer in that document is "Are you insaine? No!" To the question about "Should I run Debian-Sid on my server?" GRML includes Speakup accessibility, wich I require in my Linux kernels; and often don't have time to compile a Linux kernel, therefore I use GRML. Would I be better off installing a plain Debian system rather than GRML perhaps on my laptop When I get back in the next few weeks to set it up? Thanks! GRML is rather cool, but the fact that you folks have included services on it at all is a bit..concerning. What if grep or something was to break on GRML? Considering that you're based on the Sid branch. How about security related updates (wich are not provided for Debian-unstable packages) in the first place for users installing GRML directly to hard-drive? Despite GRML being an extremely cool Linux system, it is still based off Sid! Regards, --Keith

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Re: [Grml] grml and mactel
by Chaitat Piriyasatit 04 Mär '09

04 Mär '09

I booted grml from the live cd on macmini. I plugged an 8GB usb flash drive into the macmini. I used grml2hd to install onto my flash drive. I then rebooted macmini while the flash was plugged. Refit saw my flash drive with a linux icon. I chose to boot from that. I failed. The error message was something like cannot find OS to be loaded. -- Chaitat Piriyasatit -original message- Subject: Re: [Grml] grml and mactel From: Johannes Kastl <ojkastl(a)gmx.de> Date: 02/28/2009 5:19 PM On 2/28/09 5:39 AM Chaitat Piriyastit wrote: > * install grml on a flash drive (usb) using grml2hd On which computer have you booted into grml? I assume you are trying to install grml from a running grml? > * my computer is MacMIni (Intel) Sweet. > * i install RefIt which shows me options to boot from my flash drive Yeah, very nice. > However, it seems like I need to do something about EFI. Why? How do you come to this conclusion? What is not running? Can you boot anything else than Mac OSX from refit? Have you tried a GRML live cd? > Do you have any idea about making the flash bootable by EFI (not BIOS)? I thought your USB device was shown in rEFIt? Regards, OJ -- Was ist die Zeit? Und die lösende, nicht lösende Kinderantwort, Staunensantwort kommt dazu: Die Zeit ist eine Uhr ohne Ziffern. (Ernst Bloch) _______________________________________________ Grml mailing list - Grml(a)mur.at http://lists.mur.at/mailman/listinfo/grml join #grml on irc.freenode.org grml-devel-blog: http://grml.supersized.org/ <<signature.asc>>

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Using GRML2HD in a productive environment...
by Keith Hinton 04 Mär '09

04 Mär '09

How would GRML2hd be used in an productive environment necessarily? I'm curious about that. Also, in grml, if installed onto the hard-drive, I assume that I do not need to manually edit the network interfaces file owing to the use of the grml-netcard or grml-network scripts? The other question, is this. I have an Internet domain that I want GRML to be able to resolve to an IP address, or at least realize that the domain exists. So, hear is my question. What happens in grml if I add to resolv.conf: search "domain.org" without quotations, (assuming) that domain.org existed? The second question relating to resolv.conf, is how could I keep DHCP from overighting it? Thanks. Regards, --Keith

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to michael whapples
by Josh 03 Mär '09

03 Mär '09

hello, Could Michael whapples contact me off list at: jkenn337(a)gmail.com ? I am going to install grml onto a computer because I am practically forced to due to very limited resources this computer will definitely not run gnome and orca, and with a swap partition it will probably run vey slowly. So if I could have a link to a text file if one exists describing how to install grml to hard disc using grml2hd would be good. I only have so much time per day in tech class, my training program is winding down here and it wil be faster to follow a writeup on my netbook and follow its directions than listen to the audio walkthrough. Either that or I will have to take notes on the walkthrough tonight on my slate and refer to these notes in computer braille. Josh

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feature request: port tazusb to grml
by dny 03 Mär '09

03 Mär '09

hi. i use grml a lot. like it a lot too. i install to usb with grml2hd and everything is fine. i boot my grml usb almost as much as my hdd. i just testing slitaz livecd and use the tazusb tools. imho, this tazusb is perfect way to install live distro to usb. please check it: http://www.slitaz.org/en/doc/manuals/tazusb.en.html the filesystem still compressed just like 'frugal' install only the /home folder is written directly on usb. this way, it minimize writes to usb, which prolong the flashdrive live. but, we can use tazusb writefs to write any changes to the rootfs. and if we do bad things to rootfs (sudo rm -rf /usr), we can easily boot and get back to previous state. nothing lost. (sort of like windows system restore, if any of you use windows....) enough says.... can anyone port this tool to grml? or something similar....?? tia. rgds.dennyhalim.com Mesin Cari Indonesia! http://indosearch.blogspot.com ... they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand. Mat 13:13 ... but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Mat 15:11

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Using VMware Workstation on GRML Linux
by Keith Hinton 03 Mär '09

03 Mär '09

I was wondering, how difficult it is to install the Gnome environment inside the GRML environment when installed onto a hard-disk drive? Probably an aptitude-install Gnome does it. However, Hear is what I was wanting to know. I have purchased the VMWare Workstation package, and have a registered serial number for it. It's a standard tar formatted file, with a Tar.GZ extention added onto the end of it. Extracting it isn't my problem. The problem is, how will I instruct it to boot the necessary VMware services on boot of GRML itself? I also hope, that I will be able to simply do an grml-x gnome and have gnome launch directly and then run VMware workstation. Could anyone contact me with instructions on this process? Thanks. Regards, --Keith

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grml and mactel
by Chaitat Piriyastit 28 Feb '09

28 Feb '09

Hi, I am trying to: * install grml on a flash drive (usb) using grml2hd * my computer is MacMIni (Intel) * i install RefIt which shows me options to boot from my flash drive However, it seems like I need to do something about EFI. Do you have any idea about making the flash bootable by EFI (not BIOS)? Thanks, -- Chaitat Piriyasatit ... waking up to pee and see whats up online

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installing grml
by Josh 26 Feb '09

26 Feb '09

Hi, How well will grml run on a system with 64mb of ram or 128mb of ram useing speakup with voxin or espeak software speech? Grml 1.1 that is? Josh

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installing grml
by Josh 26 Feb '09

26 Feb '09

hi, Can someone give me an audio walkthrough on how to nstall grml1.1? Also can someone tell me how to get it working with ethernet? and also if it's possible to update to the latest ESpeak? Also, if it's possible to get voxin working with ESpeak? Josh

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/etc/init.d/bootlocal files
by T o n g 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

Hi, Which package creates /etc/init.d/bootlocal files? I.e., /etc/init.d/bootlocal.first, /etc/init.d/bootlocal.middle & /etc/ init.d/bootlocal.last They are not LSB-compliant, as required by the Debian Policy, chapter 9.3.2 Writing the scripts, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts . Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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how to disable antialias font in x window
by Chaitat Piriyastit 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

Hi, I have tried several things such as: $ rxvt -fn 'xft:antialias=false,-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-12-140-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15' or create: /etc/fonts/local.conf and place: <match target="font"> <edit name="antialias" mode="assign"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> </match> inside the file. It still does not work. Is there other workaround? Chaitat Piriyasatit ... waking up to pee and see whats up online

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Suggest PFM, the best FM
by T o n g 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

Hi, How do you define the best file manager? To me, the only standard is how powerful it is. Thus, for me the winner of the best file manager is pfm, http://p-f-m.sourceforge.net/, because there is no other file managers that are more powerful than it. To justify my claim, let me begin with a quote from vshnu: "when one is concerned about file manipulation and management ..., a CLI can be a frustratingly terse interface... A GUI file manager can address this problem, but then you... have lost the advantages of the CLI." I.e., pfm has the normal advantage of a GUI file manager, but its unique feature that allows you to manipulate and manage file and file names using the CLI interface makes it stands out from the crowd. Moreover, there is no other file manager that aligns better with the spirit of grml than pfm's *text based* GUI interface. To explain it, let me begin with a (long) story, - Normally, filename completion, wildcarding and the "xargs" command can cover 99% of my file/directory manipulation and management needs. - If "xargs" is not powerful enough, I use doeach (http://ostatic.com/doeach), which allows me to deal with source file's path, name, and extension separately, and it can build redirection, piping easily on the command line. E.g., piping the selected files through gz and redirect the results in another diectory, named as backup.<org_name>.`date -I`.<org_ext>. - But there are times when a visual point-and-shoot file selection system beats wildcarding. This is the only time that I need file manager, i.e., for arbitrary file selection (and operation). The file manager of my choice is PFM. it allows me to build arbitrary file operation shell command (with the arbitrary selected files). That's the main reason, when back in DOS days, I preferred pfm than NC (OK, I admit that I'm biased). For e.g., a very simple example, covert a bunch of *selected* files as .png files. PFM is able to do: covert file1.gif file1.png covert file2.Gif file2.png covert file3.JPG file3.png . . . Using a simple PFM command: convert =2 =1.png Another more simpler one is, I keep all the pictures from my digital camera on disk, but also maintain a much much smaller list of picked, good ones. I use pfm to pick the good ones, and create symlink in another directory to the pick ones. You can think of other cases as well. My point is, there is no other file manager that can help me to the above except pfm (I've (almost) tried every file manager in OSS world). Moreover, the pfm maintainer, Rene, is very helpful too. FYI, there is a new release that recently came out, with lost of good improvements. I hope everybody will find it useful, and wish that pfm will be included in grml repo. Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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voxin on grml
by josh 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

hi, can someone give instructions on installing tt-synth or voxin onto grml and getting it to work with speakup? Josh

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debian lenny from stable to unstable
by didi.segbert＠arcor.de 22 Feb '09

22 Feb '09

Hello Mika, i have installed grml 1.1 onto a harddisk and done every week an update/ safe-upgrade with aptitude. In the file source.list are the lines for debian set to unstable. But now lenny ist stable, can i change the this lines in the source.list file to use a stable lenny with the functions of grml/stable? The the second is, that my cyberjack (0xc4b:0x0300) will not work with chipcardd4. The cjgeldkarte will work, but geldkarte loaded will only errors. I use aqmoney 0,6.3 with an chpcard-version and openhbic on an slackware 10.2, but i don't habe found these packages for grml/debian. and compiling the sources will produces only errors. It is very difficult to find the correct words in english, ist there an german grml-mailinglist? Regards. Dietmar

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