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Speeding up udev?
by Hermann 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

Hi, in former mails I reported a slow boot procedure of GRML, and I couldn't figure out the reason why. In the meantime I found out that udev seems to slow down the whole thing. Deactivating it seems no good solution, since there is hardly any hardware detected; only the internal drives are recognized. But no sound, no network etc. So is there a chance to speed up udev? I didn't find anything in the manual that refers to "speeding up the procedure". Any hints? Hermann --

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Request for Comments / Poll: removal of LaTeX on grml
by Michael Prokop 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

Hi grml users, especially on grml64 we are running out of space and I'm thinking about removing LaTeX from grml, which would save us 100MB of uncompressed space. I'm talking about the following Debian packages: | auctex catdvi ctioga dvipng gnuhtml2latex lacheck latex-beamer | latexmk latex-mk latextug latex-xcolor libkpathsea4 libtioga-ruby | libtioga-ruby1.8 pdfjam pgf preview-latex-style tetex-bin tex-common | texify texlive texlive-base texlive-base-bin texlive-common | texlive-doc-base texlive-extra-utils texlive-fonts-recommended | texlive-lang-german texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-recommended | texpower tth vim-latexsuite I'd like to know *your* opinion on this issue, so please let us know your opinion through this poll: http://doodle.com/3dnzvhv43tmhpcpn Thanks! regards, -mika- -- http://grml.org/ # Linux for texttool-users and sysadmins http://wiki.grml.org/ # share your knowledge http://grml.supersized.org/ # the grml development weblog #grml @ irc.freenode.org # meet us on irc

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GRML and debian unstable?
by Michael Whapples 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

Hello, There's one thing which has slightly puzzled me about GRML, why does it use debian unstable? I can imagine stable is not wanted as it can get quite out dated due to the time between debian stable releases, but why not testing? Why this puzzles me is that due to it using debian unstable problems can occur with package conflicts, broken packages, etc, so leading to it really not being good for those unfamiliar with linux and debian package management. However there are parts of GRML which I feel are good for useability, eg. some of the scripts for configuring the system, like grml-network which is probably the simplest way of configuring a network interface I have found for a text console. Also as a blind user the in built accessibility is something which makes it good for me (some other distros either didn't have any accessibility for the install process, required a separate modified CD (eg. fedora) or in the case of slackware which while providing the accessibility only could use a hardware speech synthesiser for the install). This meant if anyone asked about an accessible install then GRML was good from that angle. However things are changing, vinux has moved towards being debian based and may be now would be my suggestion for a first time users distro with accessibility. Michael Whapples

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grml_2009.05.iso and swspeak
by Martin McCormick 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

I have been trying to install grml_2009.05.iso on a Dell Enspiron laptop from the 2002 era. This computer does work as it does have the last edition of oralux on it with speakup. The speech and Ethernet functions work fine but such things as sound recording and serial communications do not work so I have been hoping that a newer distribution would bring more systems to life. I downloaded grml_2009.05.iso and did the following: Boot the CDROM and wait for things to settle down. type swspeak=espeak and hit Enter. Nothing. I had a sighted person watch and the first thing to hit the screen is a picture of a keyboard and the boot prompt. If I then type swspeak=espeak or swspeak=speechd, the screen goes black and the CDROM drive runs for a few more seconds and then nothing. Am I forgetting something, possibly an en cantation over a frog killed in the first quarter of the Moon or what? I even downloaded the medium image and tried it with the same results. Does the medium ISO image contain any software speech? I did get a 2-year-old grml live CD to talk, but it began spelling any time one tried to go in to the installation routine so so much for that. Any other suggestions as to what to try or do I have some part of the procedure wrong? Many thanks. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

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Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
by Joshua Kennedy 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

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by Joshua Kennedy 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

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Kvm howto
by T o n g 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Hi mika, Would you please write something about Kvm? Searching the keyword Kvm didn't result good hist in mlist archive and wiki. I use to test new grml releases with VMware (the thing I hate most is to reboot my box just for the testing), but installing VMware into the newly installed grml every time has been a pain. I like to streamline the testing/using grml with kvm if possible. So I want to know how to install/config kvm, and test new grml releases with it. Thanks PS. for people who don't know KVM: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution on x86 hardware containing virtualization extensions (Intel VT or AMD-V CPU is needed). Each virtual machine has private virtualized hardware: a network card, disk, graphics adapter, etc. KVM is a similar to XEN, but KVM is part of Linux and uses the regular Linux scheduler and memory management. KVM is perfectly suited to unmodified operating systems including windows operating systems like Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008. " -- http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Container_and_Full_Virtualization -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

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speakup.synth boot parameter and grml2hd
by Michael Whapples 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Hello, I noticed that in grml2hd when it prompts you for which boot parameters should be used for the append line it gives the speakup one as speakup_synth although now grml uses speakup.synth, therefore users can't add speakup.synth to an installed system through the interface, they have to do it manually using the boot loader. I noticed this when using a grml 2009.05RC2 CD (I know that grml 2009.05 has been released but I had the rc2 CD to hand when I needed to perform the install and I have just updated grml2hd on my system and examined the source code and this bug seems to still be present). Michael Whapples

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vol boot option overridden by any boot option which implies sound
by Michael Whapples 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

Hello, I noticed that when I use boot options which imply sound as they give speech messages in the boot process (eg. swspeak, brltty, etc) then the vol option for setting volume level doesn't work (IE. volume always ends up being 90%). This is a problem when using a system with no physical volume control (eg. a laptop using internal speakers). This is using the grml 2009.05 CD. Michael Whapples

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Bug with setting passwords when installing using grml2hd and grml-debootstrap
by Michael Whapples 14 Jun '09

14 Jun '09

Hello, I noticed that yesterday when I did an install of debian using grml-debootstrap it seemed to fail to set the password of the root account, it seemed to just print out the help message of the chpasswd command. This was using grml installed on a USB drive using grml2usb and the ISO image of grml 2009.05. I also encountered the same when I did the grml2hd installation using the RC2 CD. The only way I was able to log in to the installed system was to boot grml again, mount the drive where I had done the installation and remove the x from the password field of the /etc/passwd file and then reboot back to the HD installation and log in without a password and then set a new password (there may be another way but this is the one I am certain of). This seems like a critical bug to me as by default it seems grml2hd and grml-debootstrap leave the installed system unuseable. Michael Whapples

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Two patches for grml-scripts
by Ernesto Domato 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Here I send you two patches for /usr/bin/grml-lang and /usr/sbin/grml-quickconfig that add the option for spanish keyboards, I use spanish keyboards usually :-P I don't know if they are really necessary since you can boot with the option lang=es but is nice for me when I forget that option :-) Greettings. Ernesto

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Extraction of the small and medium flavors from the full one.
by Ernesto Domato 10 Jun '09

10 Jun '09

Hi, now that the grml2iso from git is working, I was wondering is there's some way to create the small and medium images from the full one. For example, if I want to create a DVD with grml, grml-medium and grml-small on it, I'll have to download the 3 flavors even when the grml one also contains (in some way) the other two. So, if we have some way to extract the small and medium flavor from the full one, we could save some bandwidth from the mirrors. I guess that the other option is to create the images using grml-live with a local mirror so the packages are only downloaded once. Another option could be to create differential squashfs from small to medium and from medium to full, and place the three squashfs on the full CD so when you chose full for example, the system will mount the three squashfs together using unionfs to create the full version. I don't know if it's possible or if you can understand what I trying to explain, but I think could be an interesting idea. Anyway, we should also consider the performance issue of stacking several squashfs with unionfs. Greetings. Ernesto

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Creating a bootable DVD using grml and grml64
by Ernesto Domato 09 Jun '09

09 Jun '09

Hi, I'd like to create a bootable DVD from the ISOs of grml and grml64 so I can boot whichever of the two flavors or even aggregate the rest of the ISOs to the DVD (small and medium for i585 and amd64). I tried to use grml2usb doing this: 1) dd if=/dev/zero of=dvd.iso bs=1M count=2000 2) losetup /dev/loop1 dvd.iso 3) echo -en "n\np\n1\n\n\nt\n6\na\n1\n w\n" | fdisk /dev/loop1 4) mkfs.vfat /dev/loop1 5) grml2usb grml_2009.05.iso grml64_2009.05.iso /dev/loop1 But it didn't work. There's seems to be some problem when installing the bootloader. What did you think?, Is it possible to do what I want?, should I use grml-live to create custom ISOs?. Greettings and excuse for my english but it's now my native language. Ernesto PS: if it can be done, I'd like to make a CD with for example grml-medium and grml64-medium on it too

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Re: [Grml] Accessibility stuff: was: Re: I got Espeakup finally to work
by Michael Whapples 08 Jun '09

08 Jun '09

On 08/06/09 09:35, Hermann wrote: > On 08.06.2009 10:12, Michael Whapples wrote: > [...] > >> In most other cases (eg. you mention brltty) >> there are alternatives (eg. brltty I thought can use espeak directly). > > No it can't. You have to use SD in order to use Espeak. So SD is > important for non-English speaking users. > I stand corrected, I just assumed as it supports, flite, festival, swift, viavoice, etc directly that espeak might be, no the docs don't mention espeak support. >> I >> would like to accept speech-dispatcher as the obvious choice for speech >> output but unfortunately its problem with crashing from time to time (I >> think it was you Hermann who said it has something to do with its ALSA >> support) makes me personally want to back away from it. > > Yes, but unfortunately the SD team cannot find what causes this. It > does not appear on all machines, so it is difficault to figure out > what's going on. > Moreover: It seems to be an Espeak problem, since other synts don't > crash at all or very seldom (for example Voxin). > I am sure I have had voxin crash on me when using speech-dispatcher. Anyway it seems like it will be a hard bug to track down. >> Although I have >> my personal feelings on speech-dispatcher I accept there are reasons to >> use it so would say it should stay if possible. >> > I agree, but in addition I would prefere to have drivers for synths > that communicate directly with the apps, such as Espeakup. > But perhaps that's what I'm familiar from Windows. Hardcore Linux > users seem to prefer server solutions. I'm not saying don't have direct drivers like espeakup, particularly at the moment when speech-dispatcher still has some bugs which impact on useability. I just consider speech-dispatcher should be treated like SAPI is on windows. I thought that on windows when an application added speech output they tending to add SAPI support first before adding direct drivers for the synths. I also have to say although server processes can be useful at times, I think there are times it seems to go too far on linux. Michael Whapples > Hermann

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Re: [Grml] Accessibility stuff: was: Re: I got Espeakup finally to work
by Michael Whapples 08 Jun '09

08 Jun '09

I would agree. As far as I know for self voicing emacs there's either emacspeak which requires either a hardware synth or viavoice which is commercial, or speechd-el which can use speech-dispatcher, so speechd-el and speech-dispatcher seems to be the best free solution for software self voicing of emacs. In most other cases (eg. you mention brltty) there are alternatives (eg. brltty I thought can use espeak directly). I would like to accept speech-dispatcher as the obvious choice for speech output but unfortunately its problem with crashing from time to time (I think it was you Hermann who said it has something to do with its ALSA support) makes me personally want to back away from it. Although I have my personal feelings on speech-dispatcher I accept there are reasons to use it so would say it should stay if possible. Michael Whapples On 07/06/09 21:41, Hermann wrote: > Just one brief remark regarding Speech-dispatcher: > It should stay on GRML, because it is used as speech output by other > a11y apps, above all Brltty. It is also supported by other screen > readers like Suse-Blinux. > But besides that, Espeakup is good stuff. > Hermann > (No need for quoting in this case, I think).

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I got Espeakup finally to work
by Hermann 07 Jun '09

07 Jun '09

Hi, just let you know: Espeakup now works in German. I had to pull the latest from GIT, and after compiling I had to type: espeakup -V de or espeakup --default-voice=de Note: You can replace that "de" by any non-English voice. I got the tip from the Speakup list archive. Question: Is it possible to replace the 0.4 by the latest version (0.60)? Second note: the modified characters file is still needed. Hermann --

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Still no start of the CD on my desktop machine
by Hermann 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Hi, just downloaded and burned the latest GRML CD, and I had to notice that I still cannot start it on my desktop machine like all the others since 2008-11. So has anything changed regarding this bug? Hermann

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The installed GRML boots very slow
by Hermann 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Hi, while checking out your list archive, I found that this was brought up some months ago, but I repeat it: I installed the release candidate of GRML 2008-11 on my desktop machine, and since that I had to observe a slow boot process. My hard drive start spinning and then stops for a long time till it starts moving again. I guess that in the meantime there runs the hardware detection. But why lasts this procedure so long? Below I put the results of: cat /proc/partitions and ll /sys/block major minor #blocks name 8 0 39099375 sda 8 1 15358108 sda1 8 2 1 sda2 8 5 16386268 sda5 8 6 48163 sda6 8 7 7301511 sda7 insgesamt 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram0 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram0/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram1 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram1/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram10 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram10/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram11 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram11/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram12 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram12/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram13 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram13/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram14 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram14/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram15 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram15/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram16 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram16/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram17 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram17/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram18 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram18/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram19 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram19/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram2 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram2/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram20 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram20/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram21 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram21/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram22 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram22/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram23 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram23/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram24 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram24/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram25 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram25/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram26 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram26/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram27 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram27/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram28 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram28/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram29 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram29/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram3 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram3/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram30 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram30/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram31 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram31/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram4 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram4/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram5 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram5/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram6 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram6/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram7 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram7/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram8 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram8/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 ram9 -> ../devices/virtual/block/ram9/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 sda -> ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 sr0 -> ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/host1/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0/block/sr0/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 22. Mai 15:15 sr1 -> ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/host1/target1:0:1/1:0:1:0/block/sr1/ Anything wrong with that entries? What can I change? I remember that deactivating udev detection is no good idea. Hermann --

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grml2hd udev
by markus 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

hi, i have installed the latest grml (schluchtenscheisser). everything was working out of the box and i upgraded (aptitude safe-upgrade) to the latest packages. after a reboot everything was working. after another reboot udev doesn't work anymore (it hangs at populating /dev) and i have to boot with 'noudev' to get it to start. but now i can't access any device like the nw-card, or usb-stick anymore. does anyone know about that problem and how to fix it ? thx, markus.

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Strange messages when performing "modprobe"
by Hermann 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Hi, when I perform a "modprobe", I get the following strange messages: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/rng-tools, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-capiutils, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/irda-utils, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/hostap-utils, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/kqemu, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sl-modem-daemon.modutils, it will be ignored in a future release. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, it will be ignored in a future release. What does this mean? Hermann

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Why does GRML mix up the stable and teh unstable branche in apt?
by Hermann 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Hi, a few weeks ago, I installed Gnome on my GRML 2008-11. Since Gnome shipps a lot of updates, I got a lot of stuff from the unstable branche of the repo. This results in screwing up my system, especially Gnome. So I commented out the unstable branche and removed comment chars from the testing branche; the stability was much better. But due to the lack of performance I finally got rid of Gnome. But the question stays: Why is stable and unstable mixed up on GRML, instead of including the testing branche? With one exception, this mixing caused no problem on the text console. Hermann --

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grml 2009.05 released
by Michael Prokop 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Hi grml fans, on behalf of the grml team, I'm proud to be able to announce a new stable release: grml 2009.05 with codename Lackdose-Allergie, available in flavours grml, grml-medium and grml-small and all of them as 32bit and 64bit version has been released. The official release announcements providing all the relevant news are available at: grml => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-2009.05/ grml64 => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml64-2009.05/ grml-medium => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-medium-2009.05/ grml64-medium => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml64-medium-2009.05/ grml-small => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-small-2009.05/ grml64-small => http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml64-small-2009.05/ Issues regarding the releases can be found in the grml-wiki at: grml => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml_2009.05 grml64 => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml64_2009.05 grml-medium => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml-medium_2009.05 grml64-medium => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml64-medium_2009.05 grml-small => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml-small_2009.05 grml64-small => http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml64-small_2009.05 If you're interested in the main changes between rc1 of 2009.05 and the stable release: http://grml.supersized.org/archives/319-changes-between-grml-2009.05-rc1-an… As usual you can get the ISO(s) via bittorrent, http and/or ftp from the mirrors listed at: http://grml.org/download/ Have fun and enjoy the new release! As usual your feedback is highly appreciated. regards, -mika- -- http://grml.org/ # Linux for texttool-users and sysadmins http://wiki.grml.org/ # share your knowledge http://grml.supersized.org/ # the grml development weblog #grml @ irc.freenode.org # meet us on irc

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Speakup and non-ascii characters
by Michael Whapples 25 Mai '09

25 Mai '09

Hello, This is in response to an email by Hermann, I am not doing it as a reply as I get messages as a digest and lost the original message. First thing to note is that speakup as far as I know has its own character table which it uses for pronouncing characters when saying individual characters (eg. spelling, cursoring over characters, etc). This table can be found in /sys/modules/speakup/parameters/characters and so can be edited there. Speakup by default lists characters up to value 255, although values beyond 127 depend on the encoding used (eg. latin1, utf-8, etc) for the actual definition. As far as I know espeakup doesn't modify this table, speechd-up can replace the tables or leave them alone (there is an option for speechd-up to specify this). One way to fix this is to create a script to modify the table or copy a new table into /sys/modules/speakup/parameters/characters and to do this on start up. Does this help? Michael Whapples

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GRML does not boot on all machines since version 2008-11
by Hermann 22 Mai '09

22 Mai '09

Hi, since version 2008-11 I cannot boot the live CD anymore on one of my machines - my desktop computer - a PC bought at the German computer store Vobis. They use noname components, but the computer contains an AMD Duron processor of 1 Ghz and has 256 MB RAM. All former GRML-Versions, including the 2008-11 release candidate did boot well. On my notebook - Acer 1600, Intel processor 2,7 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, I can boot every GRML CD. After taking a long time, the CD seems to hang, and because I'm blind, I cannot check out what is written on the screen. Is there a way to redirect the output, for example to a file on a floppy drive? And, most important, waht is the reason for this? I use the GRML CDs to backup and restore my systems via partimage. Any hints? Hermann --

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Speakup doesn't speak German correctly and is only partial usable
by Hermann 22 Mai '09

22 Mai '09

Hi, perhaps this is better written to the Speakup list, but I'll try to put this here: When using Speakup together with Espeak either via Speech-dispatcher with speechd-up, or together with Espeakup, The speech does not recognize all characters correctly: Most annoying are the German umlauts, which are not recognized at all by Espeakup and only partially by speechd-up. In the latter case I can hear them when typing and continuously reading, but they are pronounced wrong when deleting them and when moving char by char via the cursor-left-right keys. For Example: "ü" is "power" and "ä" is "sigma". Moreover: An "a" is spelled as "aik", and all punctuation chars and numbers are in English. Most unusable is Espeakup, where it is impossible to read a German text. What is the experience of other non-English Speakup users? Note: It is not an Espeak problem, because when I use it with Speech-dispatcher and the speech functions, provided by the screen readers Brltty and Suse-Blinux, they work well. Hermann --

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