[ connected-05 ] some thoughts
Miha Ciglar
miha.ciglar1 at guest.arnes.si
Tue Jul 5 16:42:37 CEST 2005
Hi all!
Sorry for not taking part in the discussion, but the last two weeks were
very busy with exams, etc...
I see you have a lot of different ideas what to do and I think it is about
time that we have a logistical-organizational discussion. When and what is
actually possible to realize... I would be very happy about a meeting in
real... (I actually thought we were supposed to start meeting in the
beginning of July... any plans yet? Who is coming to Bettina's party on
Sunday?
Best!
Miha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bettina Fabian" <Bettina.Fabian at gmx.at>
To: <connected-05 at mur.at>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [ connected-05 ] some thoughts
> hello people from "connected"
>
> i go late in this discussion. i try with my english best ...hoping you
> will
> understand me...
>
> i will go soon to japan and thatwhy my head cannot focus so much on
> connected, but now i found the right moment... i leave graz on 13.th of
> july and come back in octobre. but i am still part of connected and now a
> little input from me.
>
> the most importand thing for me of the project connected is what the word
> is
> telling. get connected. so for me one importand point get realised and for
> phase one i dont have any requirement more....we got touched= connected.
> for sure i am not satisfied with having phase one...but we started a good
> way of beeing connected.
>
>
> in this world for me momently is it very nessesarry to get
> connected...cause
> with wars and technical worlds we get isolated more and more and we should
> make an alternative net between people who wanna go different ways...its
> not
> easy but very interesting to find then ways to make expressions in an
> artistic way....to find one way is very idealistic...especially after the
> mails you wrote...
> but i think this is possible....
> then it will be an event...thats my feeling
>
> i still like the idea of having meal on border, cause the simple way of
> eating, sitting on a table is so easy...and it seems its for a lot people
> from differnt culture of the world not easy to sit at one table to eat.
> i like the pradox....something which is easy isn't....:-)
>
> but this would be a project involving the population ....
>
> the last idea of cym i like very much.
>
> i dont have any problem to integrate more people, i am open for it...
>
>
> so time is running...i have to go to work
>
> just one thing: in single projekts i would like to change earth...
> so i wanna take mud from slovenia to austria and mud from austria to
> slovenia to make a mud installation...but what it will be exactly i cannot
> say......this is the work in progress and a thing for common autumn or
> spring.
>
> on sunday 10.th i have a party...with fleeing market, fire,... its from
> morning till evening/ night. it would be great to see you there! ...maybe
> pez has time too....i will arrange then some people from spektral to the
> party....
> food and drinks welcome....if everybody bring something, then for
> everybody
> is enough!
>
> best regards,
> bettina
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "Julijan Borstnik" <julij.b at email.si>
>> An: "connected05 mailing list" <connected-05 at mur.at>
>> Betreff: [ connected-05 ] re to cym and vita
>> Datum: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:17:41 +0200
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> First, i would like to apologise to Johannes for mixing you up with
>> Nicole
>> when
>> replying to your mail.
>>
>> to everyone: whats the point of connected?
>> i would like to ask everyone (myself also), what do you think, what
>> should
>> be
>> the main thing you want to stres in connected?
>>
>> to cym: what for to add members?
>> As understood from talking with you, when you came up with the idea of
>> connected
>> idea, one of the ground points of it was, that there would be limited
>> number of
>> people/artists involved. In order for each to be able to talk to
>> everyone.
>> With
>> bringing whole lot of new people in, this groundpoint (with which i
>> personaly
>> agree completly) is lost. If we decide to involve the volunteers and the
>> FS
>> personel in the project, offcourse we have to ask their opinion and also
>> good
>> for the idea, to invite them to comment it. Untill then, i think its more
>> practical if we stay in the limits of small number. Bringing whole lot of
>> new
>> people is bound to make a mess. So my opinion is that if you really think
>> its
>> needed to invite more people, 1 or 2 is plenty. Also i would like to ask,
>> which
>> are the reasons.
>>
>> to cym: about empty symbol and uselesness of things
>> Guess this is the spot, where it shows quite clear the difference betwen
>> cym´s
>> standpoint and mine. I dont care if social meaning of some activity is
>> useless.
>> But i dont know what to do with activities, that i see personaly as
>> useless.
>> Then it is useless to spent time on it.
>>
>> to vita: empty symbol-steretype the same?
>> i dont think empty symbol and stereotype are the same thing.
>> As i see them: Empty symbol is a social institution in which whatever you
>> put
>> in, it has no, or very little effect on social pattern/public mind. For
>> example;
>> art, the way it is (autonomous institution), is an empty symbol. TV
>> prime-time
>> is not an empty symbol. The content of goverment official speech, is an
>> empty
>> symbol. Its public form/influence is not.
>>
>> Stereotype can be an empty symbol. Asking »How are you?« everyone you
>> meet, for
>> example. But not necessarily. To take children, immigrants, women,
>> homosexuals,
>> poor... as not fully human, is stereotype, but its not an empty symbol.
>>
>> to vita: about if we deal with empty symbols then do that criticaly.
>> i agree! i would just add, that it would be good, if we do that in a way
>> to be
>> present also to someone beside ourselves. I dont think, the idea to be
>> producer
>> and the only receiver of information is of much use.
>>
>> to vita: about sincerity
>> For me art IS about sincerity.(Or at least should be.) But i agree this
>> is the
>> hard way. The norms of social communication dont include much sincerity.
>> Being
>> sincere is usually seen as being agressive. But beeing an artist, for me,
>> it
>> means, you have to ignore those social rules at least at your work. So i
>> agree.
>>
>> to vita: getting personal, no need to agree on everything
>> i agree with what vita said, i have nothing to add
>>
>> to vita: about being more rebellious, about sharpness in thoughts
>> The fuck yes!!! Thats what im trying to put forward, through all my
>> connected mails.
>>
>> to vita: about ac being different place
>>
>>
>> to vita: about booklet
>> One general thought: whatever the booklet will be about it should be made
>> for
>> public (people who come to presentation or/and people who come to ac and
>> fs).
>> Not for us(the connected group).
>> To make a booklet of alternative ways of group functioning, i think, is a
>> great
>> idea. Maybe we could make that a main theme of connected. What do you
>> think?
>>
>> to cym: about showing nice places
>> What special place could i show to you in goricko? I only thought of the
>> part of
>> forest and fields near ac im use to take the walk through. But i dont
>> really see
>> what use could this be to anyone but me.
>>
>> to betina and cym: about bettinas party
>> Party can also be a creative time. Since its also in graz i guess it goes
>> well
>> into the connected.
>>
>>
>> i also wanted to comment three more topics:
>> to vita: bringing local people to graz
>> to vita: about shoping
>> to vita: ask them what they do and what they think we are doing
>>
>> and answer my own question i put in the beginning,
>> but got
>> tired
>> of
>> writing, so i will leave this for later.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S.:
>> Vita and i just discussed 1. the differences and common points of
>> stereotypes
>> (st.) and
>> empty symbol (e.s.)
>> 2. the ungratitudnes of bringing
>> out a
>> new theme
>> 1.We agreed that these are not the same notions and i realised that what
>> Vita
>> wanted to
>> stress is that the common background they (st. and e.m.) have is -the
>> lazyness of
>>
>>
>> thoughts and actions
>>
>>
>> -seeking for secure and
>>
>>
>> unconfrontating way
>>
>>
>> through life.
>>
>> 2.When someone brings out new topic its hard to put it transparent. But
>> for
>> others its
>> much easier to see the unconsistency
>> .
>>
>> Our discussion also made clear the advantage of talking verbally.
>> May i ask, what are the plans of our meeting in person, beside the
>> eventual
>> meeting on bettinas party
>>
>> have a nice time everyone
>>
>> julij
>>
>>
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