[ connected-05 ] some thoughts
Bettina Fabian
Bettina.Fabian at gmx.at
Mon Jul 4 12:24:45 CEST 2005
hello people from "connected"
i go late in this discussion. i try with my english best ...hoping you will
understand me...
i will go soon to japan and thatwhy my head cannot focus so much on
connected, but now i found the right moment... i leave graz on 13.th of
july and come back in octobre. but i am still part of connected and now a
little input from me.
the most importand thing for me of the project connected is what the word is
telling. get connected. so for me one importand point get realised and for
phase one i dont have any requirement more....we got touched= connected.
for sure i am not satisfied with having phase one...but we started a good
way of beeing connected.
in this world for me momently is it very nessesarry to get connected...cause
with wars and technical worlds we get isolated more and more and we should
make an alternative net between people who wanna go different ways...its not
easy but very interesting to find then ways to make expressions in an
artistic way....to find one way is very idealistic...especially after the
mails you wrote...
but i think this is possible....
then it will be an event...thats my feeling
i still like the idea of having meal on border, cause the simple way of
eating, sitting on a table is so easy...and it seems its for a lot people
from differnt culture of the world not easy to sit at one table to eat.
i like the pradox....something which is easy isn't....:-)
but this would be a project involving the population ....
the last idea of cym i like very much.
i dont have any problem to integrate more people, i am open for it...
so time is running...i have to go to work
just one thing: in single projekts i would like to change earth...
so i wanna take mud from slovenia to austria and mud from austria to
slovenia to make a mud installation...but what it will be exactly i cannot
say......this is the work in progress and a thing for common autumn or
spring.
on sunday 10.th i have a party...with fleeing market, fire,... its from
morning till evening/ night. it would be great to see you there! ...maybe
pez has time too....i will arrange then some people from spektral to the
party....
food and drinks welcome....if everybody bring something, then for everybody
is enough!
best regards,
bettina
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Julijan Borstnik" <julij.b at email.si>
> An: "connected05 mailing list" <connected-05 at mur.at>
> Betreff: [ connected-05 ] re to cym and vita
> Datum: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:17:41 +0200
>
> Hello
>
> First, i would like to apologise to Johannes for mixing you up with Nicole
> when
> replying to your mail.
>
> to everyone: whats the point of connected?
> i would like to ask everyone (myself also), what do you think, what should
> be
> the main thing you want to stres in connected?
>
> to cym: what for to add members?
> As understood from talking with you, when you came up with the idea of
> connected
> idea, one of the ground points of it was, that there would be limited
> number of
> people/artists involved. In order for each to be able to talk to everyone.
> With
> bringing whole lot of new people in, this groundpoint (with which i
> personaly
> agree completly) is lost. If we decide to involve the volunteers and the
> FS
> personel in the project, offcourse we have to ask their opinion and also
> good
> for the idea, to invite them to comment it. Untill then, i think its more
> practical if we stay in the limits of small number. Bringing whole lot of
> new
> people is bound to make a mess. So my opinion is that if you really think
> its
> needed to invite more people, 1 or 2 is plenty. Also i would like to ask,
> which
> are the reasons.
>
> to cym: about empty symbol and uselesness of things
> Guess this is the spot, where it shows quite clear the difference betwen
> cym´s
> standpoint and mine. I dont care if social meaning of some activity is
> useless.
> But i dont know what to do with activities, that i see personaly as
> useless.
> Then it is useless to spent time on it.
>
> to vita: empty symbol-steretype the same?
> i dont think empty symbol and stereotype are the same thing.
> As i see them: Empty symbol is a social institution in which whatever you
> put
> in, it has no, or very little effect on social pattern/public mind. For
> example;
> art, the way it is (autonomous institution), is an empty symbol. TV
> prime-time
> is not an empty symbol. The content of goverment official speech, is an
> empty
> symbol. Its public form/influence is not.
>
> Stereotype can be an empty symbol. Asking »How are you?« everyone you
> meet, for
> example. But not necessarily. To take children, immigrants, women,
> homosexuals,
> poor... as not fully human, is stereotype, but its not an empty symbol.
>
> to vita: about if we deal with empty symbols then do that criticaly.
> i agree! i would just add, that it would be good, if we do that in a way
> to be
> present also to someone beside ourselves. I dont think, the idea to be
> producer
> and the only receiver of information is of much use.
>
> to vita: about sincerity
> For me art IS about sincerity.(Or at least should be.) But i agree this
> is the
> hard way. The norms of social communication dont include much sincerity.
> Being
> sincere is usually seen as being agressive. But beeing an artist, for me,
> it
> means, you have to ignore those social rules at least at your work. So i
> agree.
>
> to vita: getting personal, no need to agree on everything
> i agree with what vita said, i have nothing to add
>
> to vita: about being more rebellious, about sharpness in thoughts
> The fuck yes!!! Thats what im trying to put forward, through all my
> connected mails.
>
> to vita: about ac being different place
>
>
> to vita: about booklet
> One general thought: whatever the booklet will be about it should be made
> for
> public (people who come to presentation or/and people who come to ac and
> fs).
> Not for us(the connected group).
> To make a booklet of alternative ways of group functioning, i think, is a
> great
> idea. Maybe we could make that a main theme of connected. What do you
> think?
>
> to cym: about showing nice places
> What special place could i show to you in goricko? I only thought of the
> part of
> forest and fields near ac im use to take the walk through. But i dont
> really see
> what use could this be to anyone but me.
>
> to betina and cym: about bettinas party
> Party can also be a creative time. Since its also in graz i guess it goes
> well
> into the connected.
>
>
> i also wanted to comment three more topics:
> to vita: bringing local people to graz
> to vita: about shoping
> to vita: ask them what they do and what they think we are doing
>
> and answer my own question i put in the beginning,
> but got tired
> of
> writing, so i will leave this for later.
>
>
>
>
> P.S.:
> Vita and i just discussed 1. the differences and common points of
> stereotypes
> (st.) and
> empty symbol (e.s.)
> 2. the ungratitudnes of bringing
> out a
> new theme
> 1.We agreed that these are not the same notions and i realised that what
> Vita
> wanted to
> stress is that the common background they (st. and e.m.) have is -the
> lazyness of
>
>
> thoughts and actions
>
>
> -seeking for secure and
>
>
> unconfrontating way
>
>
> through life.
>
> 2.When someone brings out new topic its hard to put it transparent. But
> for
> others its
> much easier to see the unconsistency
> .
>
> Our discussion also made clear the advantage of talking verbally.
> May i ask, what are the plans of our meeting in person, beside the
> eventual
> meeting on bettinas party
>
> have a nice time everyone
>
> julij
>
>
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