[ connected-05 ] some thoughts
cym
cym at mur.at
Thu Jul 7 11:22:04 CEST 2005
hello all,
i just got back from italy. was very nice, but i was without
internet-connection for 5 days. i will read your mails tonight.
i will be in graz this weekend. on bettina's party. but i can also come
there on saturday to have a connected-meeting if you like. let me know
what your time-schedules look like. would it be possible for you to spend
a day in graz together on saturday? you can all stay in my house on the
country-side from saturday to sunday, if you like.
greetings,
cym
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Miha Ciglar wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> Sorry for not taking part in the discussion, but the last two weeks were
> very busy with exams, etc...
> I see you have a lot of different ideas what to do and I think it is about
> time that we have a logistical-organizational discussion. When and what is
> actually possible to realize... I would be very happy about a meeting in
> real... (I actually thought we were supposed to start meeting in the
> beginning of July... any plans yet? Who is coming to Bettina's party on
> Sunday?
>
> Best!
>
> Miha
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bettina Fabian" <Bettina.Fabian at gmx.at>
> To: <connected-05 at mur.at>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:24 PM
> Subject: [ connected-05 ] some thoughts
>
>
> > hello people from "connected"
> >
> > i go late in this discussion. i try with my english best ...hoping you
> > will
> > understand me...
> >
> > i will go soon to japan and thatwhy my head cannot focus so much on
> > connected, but now i found the right moment... i leave graz on 13.th of
> > july and come back in octobre. but i am still part of connected and now a
> > little input from me.
> >
> > the most importand thing for me of the project connected is what the word
> > is
> > telling. get connected. so for me one importand point get realised and for
> > phase one i dont have any requirement more....we got touched= connected.
> > for sure i am not satisfied with having phase one...but we started a good
> > way of beeing connected.
> >
> >
> > in this world for me momently is it very nessesarry to get
> > connected...cause
> > with wars and technical worlds we get isolated more and more and we should
> > make an alternative net between people who wanna go different ways...its
> > not
> > easy but very interesting to find then ways to make expressions in an
> > artistic way....to find one way is very idealistic...especially after the
> > mails you wrote...
> > but i think this is possible....
> > then it will be an event...thats my feeling
> >
> > i still like the idea of having meal on border, cause the simple way of
> > eating, sitting on a table is so easy...and it seems its for a lot people
> > from differnt culture of the world not easy to sit at one table to eat.
> > i like the pradox....something which is easy isn't....:-)
> >
> > but this would be a project involving the population ....
> >
> > the last idea of cym i like very much.
> >
> > i dont have any problem to integrate more people, i am open for it...
> >
> >
> > so time is running...i have to go to work
> >
> > just one thing: in single projekts i would like to change earth...
> > so i wanna take mud from slovenia to austria and mud from austria to
> > slovenia to make a mud installation...but what it will be exactly i cannot
> > say......this is the work in progress and a thing for common autumn or
> > spring.
> >
> > on sunday 10.th i have a party...with fleeing market, fire,... its from
> > morning till evening/ night. it would be great to see you there! ...maybe
> > pez has time too....i will arrange then some people from spektral to the
> > party....
> > food and drinks welcome....if everybody bring something, then for
> > everybody
> > is enough!
> >
> > best regards,
> > bettina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> >> Von: "Julijan Borstnik" <julij.b at email.si>
> >> An: "connected05 mailing list" <connected-05 at mur.at>
> >> Betreff: [ connected-05 ] re to cym and vita
> >> Datum: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:17:41 +0200
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> First, i would like to apologise to Johannes for mixing you up with
> >> Nicole
> >> when
> >> replying to your mail.
> >>
> >> to everyone: whats the point of connected?
> >> i would like to ask everyone (myself also), what do you think, what
> >> should
> >> be
> >> the main thing you want to stres in connected?
> >>
> >> to cym: what for to add members?
> >> As understood from talking with you, when you came up with the idea of
> >> connected
> >> idea, one of the ground points of it was, that there would be limited
> >> number of
> >> people/artists involved. In order for each to be able to talk to
> >> everyone.
> >> With
> >> bringing whole lot of new people in, this groundpoint (with which i
> >> personaly
> >> agree completly) is lost. If we decide to involve the volunteers and the
> >> FS
> >> personel in the project, offcourse we have to ask their opinion and also
> >> good
> >> for the idea, to invite them to comment it. Untill then, i think its more
> >> practical if we stay in the limits of small number. Bringing whole lot of
> >> new
> >> people is bound to make a mess. So my opinion is that if you really think
> >> its
> >> needed to invite more people, 1 or 2 is plenty. Also i would like to ask,
> >> which
> >> are the reasons.
> >>
> >> to cym: about empty symbol and uselesness of things
> >> Guess this is the spot, where it shows quite clear the difference betwen
> >> cym´s
> >> standpoint and mine. I dont care if social meaning of some activity is
> >> useless.
> >> But i dont know what to do with activities, that i see personaly as
> >> useless.
> >> Then it is useless to spent time on it.
> >>
> >> to vita: empty symbol-steretype the same?
> >> i dont think empty symbol and stereotype are the same thing.
> >> As i see them: Empty symbol is a social institution in which whatever you
> >> put
> >> in, it has no, or very little effect on social pattern/public mind. For
> >> example;
> >> art, the way it is (autonomous institution), is an empty symbol. TV
> >> prime-time
> >> is not an empty symbol. The content of goverment official speech, is an
> >> empty
> >> symbol. Its public form/influence is not.
> >>
> >> Stereotype can be an empty symbol. Asking »How are you?« everyone you
> >> meet, for
> >> example. But not necessarily. To take children, immigrants, women,
> >> homosexuals,
> >> poor... as not fully human, is stereotype, but its not an empty symbol.
> >>
> >> to vita: about if we deal with empty symbols then do that criticaly.
> >> i agree! i would just add, that it would be good, if we do that in a way
> >> to be
> >> present also to someone beside ourselves. I dont think, the idea to be
> >> producer
> >> and the only receiver of information is of much use.
> >>
> >> to vita: about sincerity
> >> For me art IS about sincerity.(Or at least should be.) But i agree this
> >> is the
> >> hard way. The norms of social communication dont include much sincerity.
> >> Being
> >> sincere is usually seen as being agressive. But beeing an artist, for me,
> >> it
> >> means, you have to ignore those social rules at least at your work. So i
> >> agree.
> >>
> >> to vita: getting personal, no need to agree on everything
> >> i agree with what vita said, i have nothing to add
> >>
> >> to vita: about being more rebellious, about sharpness in thoughts
> >> The fuck yes!!! Thats what im trying to put forward, through all my
> >> connected mails.
> >>
> >> to vita: about ac being different place
> >>
> >>
> >> to vita: about booklet
> >> One general thought: whatever the booklet will be about it should be made
> >> for
> >> public (people who come to presentation or/and people who come to ac and
> >> fs).
> >> Not for us(the connected group).
> >> To make a booklet of alternative ways of group functioning, i think, is a
> >> great
> >> idea. Maybe we could make that a main theme of connected. What do you
> >> think?
> >>
> >> to cym: about showing nice places
> >> What special place could i show to you in goricko? I only thought of the
> >> part of
> >> forest and fields near ac im use to take the walk through. But i dont
> >> really see
> >> what use could this be to anyone but me.
> >>
> >> to betina and cym: about bettinas party
> >> Party can also be a creative time. Since its also in graz i guess it goes
> >> well
> >> into the connected.
> >>
> >>
> >> i also wanted to comment three more topics:
> >> to vita: bringing local people to graz
> >> to vita: about shoping
> >> to vita: ask them what they do and what they think we are doing
> >>
> >> and answer my own question i put in the beginning,
> >> but got
> >> tired
> >> of
> >> writing, so i will leave this for later.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> P.S.:
> >> Vita and i just discussed 1. the differences and common points of
> >> stereotypes
> >> (st.) and
> >> empty symbol (e.s.)
> >> 2. the ungratitudnes of bringing
> >> out a
> >> new theme
> >> 1.We agreed that these are not the same notions and i realised that what
> >> Vita
> >> wanted to
> >> stress is that the common background they (st. and e.m.) have is -the
> >> lazyness of
> >>
> >>
> >> thoughts and actions
> >>
> >>
> >> -seeking for secure and
> >>
> >>
> >> unconfrontating way
> >>
> >>
> >> through life.
> >>
> >> 2.When someone brings out new topic its hard to put it transparent. But
> >> for
> >> others its
> >> much easier to see the unconsistency
> >> .
> >>
> >> Our discussion also made clear the advantage of talking verbally.
> >> May i ask, what are the plans of our meeting in person, beside the
> >> eventual
> >> meeting on bettinas party
> >>
> >> have a nice time everyone
> >>
> >> julij
> >>
> >>
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