Hello,
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
Klaus
* Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
regards, -mika-
Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
- Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your decision.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also listed in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distribution... I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.
Regards Klaus
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message 33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@arcor.de:
Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
- Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your decision.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also listed in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distribution... I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.
..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568 Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message 33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@arcor.de:
Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
- Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your decision.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also listed in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distribution... I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.
..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568 Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
-- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.
Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.
Alex
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message 20160720120914.GC25029@smithers.snow-crash.org:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message 33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@arcor.de:
Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
- Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your decision.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also listed in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distribution... I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.
..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568 Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.
..from which mailing list am I now being banished? ;o) I am aware I am not welcome on Debian mailing lists due to my knowledge of banana republic politics and how they brought systemd upon Debian, and therefore didn't cc any Debian mailing lists. ;o)
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message 20160720120914.GC25029@smithers.snow-crash.org:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message 33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@arcor.de:
Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
- Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
as I could not post a blog comment at http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default configuration.
You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your decision.
If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also listed in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distribution... I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.
..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568 Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.
..from which mailing list am I now being banished? ;o) I am aware I am not welcome on Debian mailing lists due to my knowledge of banana republic politics and how they brought systemd upon Debian, and therefore didn't cc any Debian mailing lists. ;o)
You are also not welcome on grml mailinglists.
Alex
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