Dear Mika and friends,
What does work for me, ignorant noob that I am?
everything, basically - getting a complete gnome desktop is a matter of really knowing deps, but otherwise, cool. All serious issues, drivers, sound, ndiswrapper, xorg config worked otob.
note - one can no longer set time or services via gnome apps because gnome is convinced that the distro is not debian
3d accel works with my ancient ati x600 card with ati as driver in xorg, which is fantastic....wow .... note one must install gl dri libs by hand! there is no reason to leave out such a small package, and if the mesa dri were included and the xorg conf for ati drivers set to ati, this would happen by itself.
for some reason, one still needs "ide1-noprobe" to get the atapi drivers for a sata dvd drive - I am not sure why this does not happen with feisty or sabayon...
the directories to mount the fstab or mtab entries are no longer created automatically - silly this, as that was default behaviour on 0.9, and saved unnecessary typing.
the time zone thing is a disaster - after install grml is convinced that the hw clock is set to cest, so booting in and out of it requires a reset of the bios clock.There has to be a way to set this ab initio.
Either issue a warning that, before installing, the system should be rebooted and the parameter TZ= set, or better yet, script the questions:' a. is the hw clock set to utc? if no, then b. to what time zone is the clock set.
Thus, in my case, no, and America/New_York.
Now, if I had remembered to set the parameter at the original boot of the live cd, this probably would not have happened, but that is not something one considers, thus the warning or scripted questions would save a failed install or two. While almost all grml users are in europe, this is a simple matter to remedy.
Although hardly necessary, since the distro is not designed to be a consumer desktop, it would be nice if the entire gnome were available somewhere, a la ubuntu. for kde, this is unnecessary, as the versions in either unstable or experimental all match, and most always do. gnome is a mess over two or three versions.
There is still no subsitute for runlevel.conf anywhere - this is the best thing anyone has ever invented for the end user. All in all, grml 1 is nigh on perfect.
Gratefully,
Martin
* martin yazdzik yazdzik@nyct.net [20070511 06:15]:
What does work for me, ignorant noob that I am?
everything, basically - getting a complete gnome desktop is a matter of really knowing deps, but otherwise, cool. All serious issues, drivers, sound, ndiswrapper, xorg config worked otob.
Fine. :)
note - one can no longer set time or services via gnome apps because gnome is convinced that the distro is not debian
Oh, strange. /etc/debian_version exists on grml, so what's the relevant stuff that Gnome thinks that it's not Debian? :)
3d accel works with my ancient ati x600 card with ati as driver in xorg, which is fantastic....wow .... note one must install gl dri libs by hand! there is no reason to leave out such a small package, and if the mesa dri were included and the xorg conf for ati drivers set to ati, this would happen by itself.
Hm, which package are you talking about? libgl1-mesa-dri?
Basically that's documented even in the xorg.conf file itself:
,---- | # Make sure you have the relevant Debian packages on your system | # to be able to use DRI (libgl1-mesa-dri for example) | Section "DRI" | Mode 0666 | EndSection `----
Installing libgl1-mesa-dri would require 37.6MB of additional disk space, sorry - no chance.
for some reason, one still needs "ide1-noprobe" to get the atapi drivers for a sata dvd drive - I am not sure why this does not happen with feisty or sabayon...
This should be related to CONFIG_PATA_* stuff in the kernel.
the directories to mount the fstab or mtab entries are no longer created automatically - silly this, as that was default behaviour on 0.9, and saved unnecessary typing.
Oh, this shouldn't happen. Do you have a file named /mnt/.grml-auto-created_do-not-delete-this-file? If so: what's inside the file? Which versions of grml-rebuildfstab and grml-scanpartitions? I'd like to debug this problem, could you please provide me more details off-the-list? Either personal mail or http://bts.grml.org/grml/ - both fine for me.
the time zone thing is a disaster - after install grml is convinced that the hw clock is set to cest, so booting in and out of it requires a reset of the bios clock.There has to be a way to set this ab initio.
Either issue a warning that, before installing, the system should be rebooted and the parameter TZ= set, or better yet, script the questions:' a. is the hw clock set to utc? if no, then b. to what time zone is the clock set.
Thus, in my case, no, and America/New_York.
Now, if I had remembered to set the parameter at the original boot of the live cd, this probably would not have happened, but that is not something one considers, thus the warning or scripted questions would save a failed install or two. While almost all grml users are in europe, this is a simple matter to remedy.
Yeah, a sucking problem if that does not work as expected to.
I've documented this in more detail at http://grml.org/faq/#timezone Can you please take a look at it and tell me what you are missing?
I just don't want to add more and more dialogs within grml2hd if there are existing and working tools already. If the docs don't provide what you need please let me know so we can think of a way how to improve the situation, but if the docs and the tools mentioned there cover what you need we should leave it that way. :)
Although hardly necessary, since the distro is not designed to be a consumer desktop, it would be nice if the entire gnome were available somewhere, a la ubuntu. for kde, this is unnecessary, as the versions in either unstable or experimental all match, and most always do. gnome is a mess over two or three versions.
As I've written already: Gnome is running through a transition. Nothing I can do for you, sorry. Just be patient and wait until things settled down.
There is still no subsitute for runlevel.conf anywhere - this is the best thing anyone has ever invented for the end user. All in all, grml 1 is nigh on perfect.
:)
regards, -mika-
Oh, strange. /etc/debian_version exists on grml, so what's the relevant stuff that Gnome thinks that it's not Debian? :)
setting the time from the gnome clock, and service settings -
popup - the platform you are running is not supported by this tool - not important, merely interesting
Installing libgl1-mesa-dri would require 37.6MB of additional disk space, sorry - no chance.
right - just checking, as for me, it makes no difference, but to someone running grml-x for the first time, and not knowing what to do, it may be a confusing.
for some reason, one still needs "ide1-noprobe" to get the atapi drivers for a sata dvd drive - I am not sure why this does not happen with feisty or sabayon...
This should be related to CONFIG_PATA_* stuff in the kernel.
Right - I think your method is better for now, as the hardware detection, if wrong, would render scd0 useless, whereas having scd0 as hdc, then realising one cannot impement dma will lead to someone figuring out fairly quickly to boot with the correct parameter, since this issue is discussed a lot.
the directories to mount the fstab or mtab entries are no longer created automatically - silly this, as that was default behaviour on 0.9, and saved unnecessary typing.
Oh, this shouldn't happen. Do you have a file named /mnt/.grml-auto-created_do-not-delete-this-file?
no such file!!!
Yeah, a sucking problem if that does not work as expected to.
- interesting to note that my orginal cheat, grml-setlang to us english utf8 set the /etc/defaults/locale to new york time zone - 1.0 has the time zone commented out, so I just edited it by hand - I presume you did this because utf8 is now the default encoding... again, it took me thirty seconds to correct the issue, but a note in the wiki to make sure that the time zone is set appropriately in the default locale file is now in order, as it is not the first place people tend to look, since, even if the TZ is correct in the /etc files, if the default locale is not correct, the read of the bios clock will not be. (Thank you, Microsoft for making this so complicated ;) )
I do agree that the reason I use the grml isntaller is to avoid the lugubrious lethargy of the debian installer, so, yet again, your decision is correct to avoid more questions, but this issue for someone unfamiliar needs just that one sentence clarification at the wiki page you noted.
At the moment, all is well with grml.
Best, m
regards,
-mika-
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